Resurrection teaching

[freeatlast]

If I were to ask how many of those on this board who are pastors, or who are involved in teaching some sort of bible class (Sunday school or the like), would you knowingly teach a principle or doctrine about the bible that you either knew or felt was wrong, but was taught incorrectly by most because of tradition I believe that most would say that they would not teach it incorrectly.

So if this be true and I believe that it is why do so many today continue to teach that Jesus was crucified on Friday and raised on Sunday morning when it is absolutely impossible to get three days and three nights in the grave as scripture says has to happen? No matter what kind of fancy tricks one uses with math and parts of days it is impossible to have a Friday crucifixion with am early Sunday resurrection and have three days and three nights. So why do so many continue to teach the false doctrine of a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection when they know it is an impossibility? If we claim to teach truth why do we knowingly teach error?
By the way if there IS anyone who believes that the crucifixion took place on Friday and the resurrection took place on Sunday then please set down and make a chart and post it for us all to see how you come up with three days and three nights in the grave with a Friday to Sunday time frame. By the way I suggest that not teaching the correct time frame is teaching the wrong time frame.

 

[Robert Snow]

I know you won't listen; you don't post these things to learn, only to berate those who disagree with you. But, the Jew in the first century viewed any part of a day as a whole day. Therefore, it is not wrong to believe that Jesus was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday.

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

 

[freeatlast]

I know you won't listen; you don't post these things to learn, only to berate those who disagree with you. But, the Jew in the first century viewed any part of a day as a whole day. Therefore, it is not wrong to believe that Jesus was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday.

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

Robert I am always open to learn, but you are just making a claim without giving proof and I understand the claim which is nothing but words, so show me. Please show me how to get three days and three nights out of a Friday crucifixion. Take the days Friday, Saturday and Sunday break down the timing and show me how to get three days and three nights even using partial days and nights.

 

[Zenas]

The Bible teaches that Jesus rose on the third day.

Friday was the first day.
Saturday was the second day.
Sunday was the third day.

As for those passages that speak of three days and three nights in the grave, Robert Snow gave the right answer.

 

[HAMel]

Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

http://biblelight.net/pasover.htm

 

[rbell]

FreeAtLast, the scope of your arrogance amazes me.

You're right, about everything, and the rest of us are dolts.


Sad.

 

[Arbo]

I know you won't listen; you don't post these things to learn, only to berate those who disagree with you. But, the Jew in the first century viewed any part of a day as a whole day. Therefore, it is not wrong to believe that Jesus was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday.

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

http://biblelight.net/pasover.htm

Robert Snow, HAMel- Thanks for putting these links up. Found them interesting.

 

[HAMel]

FreeAtLast, the scope of your arrogance amazes me.

You're right, about everything, and the rest of us are dolts.

Sad.

rbell, I am of the opinion that FAL harbors a lot of anger and frustration as is obviously evidenced through the tone used in all his posts.

Free..., there was an old slogan used to instruct young drivers (teenagers) going for their first drivers license at 16. The line went like this..., "You might be in the right but you've got to keep an eye on the others drivers as you could end up Dead right.

If someone you know commits suicide, with hindsight it's easy to see the missed warning signals..., but no one noticed.

In my humble opinion, the course you're on right now is an attempt to cause Perfection in an imPerfect world and to solicit a following. It ain't gonna happen. Becoming obsessed won't help either and there's nothing wrong with taking a back seat to ponder all things rightly dividing the word of truth.

Satan is very good at what he does.

...the above provided out of concern. No malice intended.

 

[John Toppass]

FAL,
A day and a night are an "Onah" and a portion of an Onah is the whole of it.

This is easly verified by researching Rabbinical literature on the net.

Robert Snow was spot on whether or not you choose to believe him.

 

[freeatlast]

FAL,
A day and a night are an "Onah" and a portion of an Onah is the whole of it.

This is easly verified by researching Rabbinical literature on the net.

Robert Snow was spot on whether or not you choose to believe him.

John then show me how to get three days and three nights out of a Friday crucifixion. The scripture does not simply says just three days. The Lord uses a qualifier of "three days and three nights" Show me how to get three days and three night out of a part of a day.

Definition of Onah


The word onah literally means "time period." In the context of the laws of niddah, it usually refers to a day or a night. Each 24-hour day thus consists of two onot http://www.yoatzot.org/article.php?id=20

You point to the Jew and their belief well here is what the Christian Jew foundation has put on the site;
http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms007.htm

 

[sag38]

Personally, I have more important things to be concerned about than splitting hairs. On Easter Sunday I plan on proclaiming the ressurection of Jesus and not some diatribe on the "correct" time line of Jesus' death.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Personally, I have more important things to be concerned about than splitting hairs. On Easter Sunday I plan on proclaiming the ressurection of Jesus and not some diatribe on the "correct" time line of Jesus' death.

Well said....instead of bickering.....just proclaim Jesus risen! :thumbs:

 

[HAMel]

So when did it all happen, FAL? What's the time line?

 

[freeatlast]

So when did it all happen, FAL? What's the time line?

Here is a good article from the Christian Jew foundation that spells out every step of the week prior including the crucifixion and the resurrection.

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms007.htm

 

[preachinjesus]

Given the exhuastive treatment this subject has received historically, and the continued conclusion that Friday was day, I am not certain why this is still an issue.

Scripture, and understanding of the Jewish context, continually show us that Friday was the day Christ was crucified and Sunday the day He arose...on the third day.

 

[HAMel]

I'll agree with you, FAL, it's a good article. I'm sure these folks are dedicated Christians and their attitude, position on the subject reflects just that. A good article. This is the stuff that debates are fueled with.

What is their position on the actual date of the Birth of Jesus? The West celebrates His birth on December 25th. While most can conclude that perhaps that date is not the actual date of his birth, what harm is being done?

The Adventist rely upon the 10 Commandments to support their beginning of Worship at 6 PM on a Friday and concluding on Saturday. Sunday is the beginning of their work week.

So who's right and who's wrong?

 

[freeatlast]

I'll agree with you, FAL, it's a good article. I'm sure these folks are dedicated Christians and their attitude, position on the subject reflects just that. A good article. This is the stuff that debates are fueled with.

What is their position on the actual date of the Birth of Jesus? The West celebrates His birth on December 25th. While most can conclude that perhaps that date is not the actual date of his birth, what harm is being done?

The Adventist rely upon the 10 Commandments to support their beginning of Worship at 6 PM on a Friday and concluding on Saturday. Sunday is the beginning of their work week.

So who's right and who's wrong?

HAMel since you say it is a good article I assume you have read it and you agree with it other wise it would be a bad article. Correct?

 

[HAMel]

FAL, my position on the article really means that it's of no consequence to me one way or the other. I'm quite sure the article has been well researched and well thought out. The position of those who attend church on Saturday has evolved from the same dedication.

But it's all of no consequence. I don't really believe the Lord is going to hold it against one one way or the other.

For example, if a boat load of Christians were shipwrecked on an uncharted island for a couple of years, with no calender, are we going to be held responsible should they hold a Church service on a Tuesday Morning, thinking it's really a Sunday?

 

[freeatlast]

FAL, my position on the article really means that it's of no consequence to me one way or the other. I'm quite sure the article has been well researched and well thought out. The position of those who attend church on Saturday has evolved from the same dedication.

But it's all of no consequence. I don't really believe the Lord is going to hold it against one one way or the other.

For example, if a boat load of Christians were shipwrecked on an uncharted island for a couple of years, with no calender, are we going to be held responsible should they hold a Church service on a Tuesday Morning, thinking it's really a Sunday?

[SIZE=+0]Accuracy and truth to me are consequential. I have always wondered why an atheist would battle against something that they did not believe in. I am not suggesting you are an atheist, but I am using it as an analogy. So it seems just as strange that someone would claim something not to matter to them and yet get involved in the discussion and in this case the timing of the crucifixion and resurrection.

For me any seeming discrepancy matters when it comes to the word of God so I can properly answer the critics and teach those who desire truth. In this case i wish that it could be shown that Friday was the day of the crucifixion because of the masses who follow it, but it just cannot be done with three days and three nights in the heart of the earth without corrupted calculations.
It is one thing to hold the Friday view because that is what has been told to someone and they have not searched it out. But it is another to hold that view after study and then cramming some wild story into it so as to cling to the falsehood that the Jew somehow counted days in terms that no mathematician could ever calculate even in quantum math.

I have set with the scriptures and sought to get a Friday crucifixion and it is simply impossible. I can possibly see a Thursday crucifixion, and for sure a Wednesday crucifixion, but no possible way for Friday when everything is taken into account which includes the Lord's time at Bethany which would require the Lord as well as the people with Him to violate the Sabbath.
http://www.familybible.org/pdf/CrucifixionWeekChronology.pdf

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[HAMel]

...So it seems just as strange that someone would claim something not to matter to them and yet get involved in the discussion and in this case the timing of the crucifixion and resurrection.

To begin with, I'm not aware of any scripture that requires us, or even suggests to us that we need to become gravely concerned with the issue you've raised here. It's of no real consequence how you understand it based on the information you've gathered vice, what I believe. The real issue here is that Jesus arose.

Next, if you desire that I not get involved in this discussion, as per your suggestion..., I can fix that. But when I registered on this Forum I was under the impression that I could "chime in" on any conversation that anyone posted. So now, am I to understand the only comments you wish to read are from those who believe exactly as you do? I don't think very many on here would have a problem with your desire.

As for those who seek the truth as you claim, so you can properly answer the critics and teach those who do seek the truth..., a movie line comes to mind. "You Can't Handle The Truth!!!"

Our little minds can't handle all the truth and you know what, I don't think we will ever understand all the mysteries.

Now, what I mean with this is that, on any given day, men around this world of ours ponder untold millions of things that we just don't have an answer to and for which the Bible does not offer any explanation, or insight.

Finally, in your quest for Truth..., WHAT ABOUT CHRISTMAS DAY??? What do the converted Jews have to say about this? Genesis tells of the creation happening in six days. Were His days as our days? Or were each one of His days a thousand years in our days? Is there an end to God's Creation? Or does it go on forever? Provide your thoughts/answer to just these questions.
...but I suppose you won't. You're on a mission.

Thank you, but all I am really concerned about is that our Lord arose on the third day and because He lives, I have eternal life. As far as I am concerned Jesus was dead (worldly wise) for three days.