Resurrection teaching

[John Toppass]

I believe the scripture is fairly clear that Christ died on our calendar Friday but it was still Thursday by the Jewish calendar (right before the Jewish sabbath started) and rose again on Sunday (the day after Jewish sabbath.)
Maybe the spinning avatar makes one dizzy.

 

[freeatlast]

I believe the scripture is fairly clear that Christ died on our calendar Friday but it was still Thursday by the Jewish calendar (right before the Jewish sabbath started) and rose again on Sunday (the day after Jewish sabbath.)
Maybe the spinning avatar makes one dizzy.

John What passages make you think it was friday and how is our friday their thursday?

 

[percho]

Still. Four questions???? Plus one more. Should we take literally that Jonah was swallowed by a fish?

 

[Arbo]

Still. Four questions???? Plus one more. Should we take literally that Jonah was swallowed by a fish?

Why wouldn't we take it as literal? (And yes, I have my brain turned on.) Jonah 1:17 says it was so. By your question, do you imply it was not?

 

[John Toppass]

John What passages make you think it was friday and how is our friday their thursday?

I did not make my thought complete (tho I knew what I was talking about):laugh:.

Better explanation: The Jewish Friday starts at sundown on what is now our Thursday. Jesus was arrested, tried and crucified on Friday. Mark 15. 42-42 shows us that Jesus died and was buried on preperation day, which is the day before the Sabbath. The Hebrew idiom of that time was to count part of a day as a whole day night or day. So part of Friday and all of Saturday (Jewish Sabbath) and part of Sunday (the day after Jewish Sabbath Mark 16. 1-2) going by the Hebrew idiom is three days and three nights.

FAL, can you show me in the scriptures where this is not so. You ask for scripture yet you supply none.

 

[freeatlast]

 

[percho]

Why wouldn't we take it as literal? (And yes, I have my brain turned on.) Jonah 1:17 says it was so. By your question, do you imply it was not?

Ok I believe You now why don't we believe Jesus when he says the Son of Man will be three days and three night in the earth?

Thanks for answering a question. Very rare is one answered. Still four left. I'll re-post.

Why would anyone believe that Jonah was swallowed by a great fish? Within twelve hours how long would everyone that has read this thread say he was inside the fish if he was at all?

Read the text and without considering anything but this text all please tell me if the sign was, A. The amount of time the Son of Man would be in the tomb or B. Just the resurrection itself?

Be as honest as if your answer determined if you went to heaven or hell. BTW I do not necessarily believe it does but lets pretend.

At around the time of the year in which the passover came, how many hours did Jesus the Christ say were in the daylight part of a day?

Four questions looking for four answers.

 

[freeatlast]

Ok I believe You now why don't we believe Jesus when he says the Son of Man will be three days and three night in the earth?

Thanks for answering a question. Very rare is one answered. Still four left. I'll re-post.

Why would anyone believe that Jonah was swallowed by a great fish? Within twelve hours how long would everyone that has read this thread say he was inside the fish if he was at all?

Read the text and without considering anything but this text all please tell me if the sign was, A. The amount of time the Son of Man would be in the tomb or B. Just the resurrection itself?

Be as honest as if your answer determined if you went to heaven or hell. BTW I do not necessarily believe it does but lets pretend.

At around the time of the year in which the passover came, how many hours did Jesus the Christ say were in the daylight part of a day?

Four questions looking for four answers.

Sounds like you don't believe the bible so I have a quesion for you. What do you base your salvation on if you don't believe Jesus and the bible?

 

[freeatlast]

I did not make my thought complete (tho I knew what I was talking about):laugh:.

Better explanation: The Jewish Friday starts at sundown on what is now our Thursday. Jesus was arrested, tried and crucified on Friday. Mark 15. 42-42 shows us that Jesus died and was buried on preperation day, which is the day before the Sabbath. The Hebrew idiom of that time was to count part of a day as a whole day night or day. So part of Friday and all of Saturday (Jewish Sabbath) and part of Sunday (the day after Jewish Sabbath Mark 16. 1-2) going by the Hebrew idiom is three days and three nights.

FAL, can you show me in the scriptures where this is not so. You ask for scripture yet you supply none.

John I know what you have been lead to believe, but listen to what a Jewish scholar says. .
Dr. Charles Halff, Director of the Christian Jew Foundation, in writing "The Fallacies of Easter" states;
Sometimes people ask, 'Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?' Let me say this, beloved. Whenever you have the expression 'day and night' mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; 5:1; 1 Samuel; 30:12-13, and of course Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression 'three days and three nights.' And in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night."

Jesus made it clear that he would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth which qualifies the time frame. Also the scripture never says he rose on Sunday morning. That is another assumption. Jesus could not have been put to death on Friday and be three days and three nights in the grave.

Can you give me some Jewish scholar who agrees with you that the Jew would count parts of days as whole days even when the qualifier of day and night is used?

 

[percho]

Sounds like you don't believe the bible so I have a quesion for you. What do you base your salvation on if you don't believe Jesus and the bible?

No Free I'm with you on this. I believe Jonah was swallowed by a fish and I believe he was in that fish real, real close to 72 hours. I believe the sign Jesus gave wasn't that he would be resurrected in Matt. 12 but the amount of time he would be in the tomb. Just prior to his death and right before he raised Lazarus which would have been close to the spring equinox Jesus said there is 12 hours of daylight and if you walk in the day you wont stumble but if you walk in the night you will stumble. I think this would have to be also 12 hours. If one thinks three twelve hour days and three twelve hour nights do not add up to real, real close to seventy two hours then he is stumbling all over the place. If the Son of Man was put in the tomb at the moment of the approaching sabbath then he was raised at the same moment 3 days and 3 nights later. I have believed Jesus died on a Wednesday for some time yet I think it may could have been a Tuesday but still lean toward Wed. because of the statement on the road to Emmaus of this being the third day which would have included the sealing of the tomb.

And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[John Toppass]

John I know what you have been lead to believe, but listen to what a Jewish scholar says. .
Dr. Charles Halff, Director of the Christian Jew Foundation, in writing "The Fallacies of Easter" states;
Sometimes people ask, 'Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?' Let me say this, beloved. Whenever you have the expression 'day and night' mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; 5:1; 1 Samuel; 30:12-13, and of course Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression 'three days and three nights.' And in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night."

Jesus made it clear that he would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth which qualifies the time frame. Also the scripture never says he rose on Sunday morning. That is another assumption. Jesus could not have been put to death on Friday and be three days and three nights in the grave.

Can you give me some Jewish scholar who agrees with you that the Jew would count parts of days as whole days even when the qualifier of day and night is used?

I have used scripture pertaining to Christ's death and resurrection as recorded in the Gospel and quoted Mark. It seems you are being led by Halff. Please show me scripture that supports the way you have been led to believe.

 

[Alcott]

Sounds like you don't believe the bible so I have a quesion for you. What do you base your salvation on if you don't believe Jesus and the bible?

Give us the ordinal number of the day he rose, based on the beginning of the day he was crucified.

 

[freeatlast]

I have used scripture pertaining to Christ's death and resurrection as recorded in the Gospel and quoted Mark. It seems you are being led by Halff. Please show me scripture that supports the way you have been led to believe.

The scriptures are too long to post so go here and read and all the scripture support is included.
http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms007.htm

 

[John Toppass]

So now I know what you have been led to believe. Can you show me scripture that shows why YOU believe and not why you believe someone else.

 

[HAMel]

Well folks, it looks like we have finally come to the bottom of this controversy that has raged on page after page. From FAL's link, first couple of lines, it says,

The Lord Jesus Christ clearly said in Matthew 12:38-40 that He would spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," just as Jonah had spent "three days and three nights" in the belly of the great fish. Isn't it strange, however, that almost universally throughout Christendom we find that the remembrance of Christ's crucifixion is held on "Good Friday" and that His resurrection is acknowledged as occurring on Sunday morning, at dawn? By no stretch of the imagination or masterful manipulation of Scripture is it possible to stretch the period from Friday evening to Sunday morning into "three days and three nights"! Many have attempted to do so and millions of Christians have accepted this viewpoint; but in all honesty, it just can't be done.

Quite obviously, God lied to us?

 

[freeatlast]

Well folks, it looks like we have finally come to the bottom of this controversy that has raged on page after page. From FAL's link, first couple of lines, it says,

The Lord Jesus Christ clearly said in Matthew 12:38-40 that He would spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," just as Jonah had spent "three days and three nights" in the belly of the great fish. Isn't it strange, however, that almost universally throughout Christendom we find that the remembrance of Christ's crucifixion is held on "Good Friday" and that His resurrection is acknowledged as occurring on Sunday morning, at dawn? By no stretch of the imagination or masterful manipulation of Scripture is it possible to stretch the period from Friday evening to Sunday morning into "three days and three nights"! Many have attempted to do so and millions of Christians have accepted this viewpoint; but in all honesty, it just can't be done.

Quite obviously, God lied to us?

Actually God spoke the truth, but many just reject it for the teachings of men. it is impossible to have a Friday crucifixion and get three days and three nights in the earth with a Sunday resurrection. In fact the bible never teaches that there was a Sunday resurrection, but those who follow man teach it does even though they have no scripture to support it.

 

[HAMel]

Actually God spoke the truth, but many just reject it for the teachings of men. it is impossible to have...

So obviously you didn't check out this link which was previously posted?

http://carm.org/how-long-was-jesus-dead-tomb

Just scroll down a little bit and take a gander at the chart.

Had Jonah spent exactly 72 hours in the whale he would not have ended up on the beach until the start of the 4th day. So it was with Jesus. The Scripture does not indicate that Jesus was dead in the flesh for a full 72 hours. The Word states he was raised on the third day.

 

[freeatlast]

Actually God spoke the truth, but many just reject it for the teachings of men. it is impossible to have...

So obviously you didn't check out this link which was previously posted?

http://carm.org/how-long-was-jesus-dead-tomb

Just scroll down a little bit and take a gander at the chart.

Had Jonah spent exactly 72 hours in the whale he would not have ended up on the beach until the start of the 4th day. So it was with Jesus. The Scripture does not indicate that Jesus was dead in the flesh for a full 72 hours. The Word states he was raised on the third day.

HAMel listen to me. This is what happens when you are blinded. It leads to more blindness. The scriptures never say that Jonah was not spit out after three days. It simple says he spent three days and three nights. He could have been spit out on the beginning of the fourth day, or he could have been spit out exactly on the end of the third and the beginning of the fourth. You are grasping for straws to prove a false doctrine.
Also with Ester. So she went to the king on the third day. It does not say she stopped her fast. The three days and three nights could have ended as she was standing at the door.
I know you do not want to read the article I posted as it can show that all this tradition is wrong, but if you take the time you will see that according to scripture it is impossible to have a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection, not just because of the three days and three nights, but because of the prior accounts would have made the Lord to sin if done according to tradition.
Also charm is usually a good resource. However in this case they have dropped the ball. Here is why.

Dr. Charles Halff, Director of the Christian Jew Foundation, in writing "The Fallacies of Easter" states;
Sometimes people ask, 'Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?' Let me say this, beloved. Whenever you have the expression 'day and night' mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; 5:1; 1 Samuel; 30:12-13, and of course Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression 'three days and three nights.' And in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night."

Read the full article I posted as the scripture are used and they all are in harmony. Here is a little easier format;
http://www.gerald285.com/index.php?p=1_29_Crucifixion-Week-1

http://www.gerald285.com/index.php?p=1_30_Crucifixion-Week-2

 

[Alcott]

Give us the ordinal number of the day he rose, based on the beginning of the day he was crucified.

Come on, let's hear it. First, second, third, forth, fifth.... what?

 

[HAMel]

FAL, what part of the Romans' Friday beginning at 6 PM on Thursday evening not translate to three days if Jesus arose on a Sunday Morning. To us, our Thursday, (which was their Friday) our Friday, (which was their Saturday) and our Saturday, (which was their Sunday).

Going by their time keeping Jesus didn't rise up until Monday.

This is so easy.