Alofa Atu
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I do not know a single 'Bible' that doesn't use 'archaic' words. In fact, I do not know any person that doesn't use archaic words, even 'rappers'.
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Revelation 12 - a Verse by Verse, and even phrase by phrase study
Big difference in 'some' use & CONSTANT use. The KJV is simply a "Model T" version.
Terrible. Terrible. Too bad. The material you have posted above is only tares, only tares, there is not any seed of wheat in your message.
You know the warning of JESUS, he prophesied - the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy - saying that the kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man - JESUS himself - which sowed good seed in his field. But while men slept - like the ten virgins-Mat.25 -, the enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and when the blade was sprung up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
An enemy came (disguised and sneaky) and sowed the tares among the wheat, and thus were born the Devil's children who confess to believing that there is a God as is written in James 2:v.19, but they are demons, "Christian" or believers demons, many are even ministers, (read 2Cor.12: v.13-15), which need to be unmasked by the Power of God's Spirit, and also fallen angels as shown in Revelation chapters 2 and 3, whose churches were infested of idolatry, and fornication, and things sacrificed unto idols, and false apostles, and those who called themselves Jews but were not, they were synagogue of Satan, had a name that he livest, and is dead, and angel others wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.
Well, JESUS had to tolerate that both grow together until this time of harvest: and now in the time of harvest, that is the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the reapers will gather FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them. The wheat will be reaped and placed within barn.
Rev. 11:v.15 & 18
15 The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the nations were angry, - yeah, the nations will be angry, furious, tormented, and thy wrath is come - God's wrath -, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged - Daniel 12:v.1-3 and 1 Thes.4: v.15-18 - , and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. - In fact, they will not escape of the FIRE that will burn them all, the everlasting Spirit of God is a devouring FIRE - the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Every man's work will be made manifest: for this Day - the Lord's Day - will declare it, because it will be revealed by FIRE.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
Alofa Atu
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Thank you for agreeing with my previous statement. The point is proven.
Here is a question, if, as you say that the KJB is simply the "Model T" version, why do you constantly compare the modern versions with it, instead of comparing to other modern versions? Why do you not compare the MET with the (new) NIV, or compare the ESV with the NKJV? Why do you constantly try to belittle the "Model T", when, even if I were to follow your definition, it was the "vehicle" that carried (even carries now) the Gospel forward? Do you mock the real "Model T" and try to compare it to the modern vehicles that you drive today? Wouldn't you attempt to compare the modern vehicle to the modern vehicle in its 'class' rating?
It says something about what you really know of the KJB and what it really is compared to the others. It truly is the standard by which all is tested, and you know it, by your actions.
Alofa Atu
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I take it, you do not subscribe to the scriptural teaching that the Son of God is also designated "Michael the archangel" in scripture?
P.S.Thank you for the text at the beginning, as the Holy Ghost just gave something to me about it. Even the ravens will feed God's messengers.
MMRRPP ! WRONG !
There's no "NIV Only" doctrine, while there IS a KJV (NOT "KJB") Only doctrine. It's false, same as an NIV Only one, or any other one-version-only doctrine would be.
Newer versions are compared to the KJV to show their superiority.
We REAL Christians remember the modern edition of the KJVO myth was derived from a book by a member of your cult.
Now, if YOU believe the KJVO myth, please show us some SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for it.
JESUS is the Savior. Michael is a warrior.
JESUS is the Savior. The angel of the Lord came unto the shepherds and said unto them: behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:v.8-20
JESUS has genealogy: Read Matthew 1:v.1-14 or Luke chap.3
Michael is a Warrior. Michael has not genealogy. It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings (kings made by JESUS) is to search out a matter. Prov.25:v.2 & Deut.29:v.29
Much is known about JESUS, almost nothing is known about Michael, by the way, just like the person of the Holy Spirit.
JESUS is the KING of kings, and LORD of lords; (kings made by Him) JESUS is also a son of man.
Michael is lord only and also son of man, he is under the command of JESUS and obey the command of JESUS. As a warrior, from Genesis to the Revelation Michael only fight and makes wars. For examples, Gen. chapters 18 and 19 and Revelation 12:v.7-19. Michael obeys the command of JESUS: Rev.1-v.1and 12-20. Also Rev. 22:v.16 mainly.
Michael is a name of an archangel of God;
JESUS is the name of God, the Word. The Word is God, understand? the invísible God. How can you see Word as God? Looking to JESUS, the Word - God - made in flesh. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:v.12
The things you have transcribed in your post #104 Alofa Atu, Sep 11, 2019 Last edited: Sep 11, 2019, all things are tares sowed by the Devil among God's people.
Oh! give thanks to God, Father of our Lord JESUS Christ. Now unto the King eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen..
Yes, they obey the command of God and they do what God ordains they do, God feedeth them: but remember that it is necessary to drink of the water of the brook God has determined, understand? For it is a fountain of living waters. Jer.2:v.13
The "waters" of your message #104 above are poluted waters from a dug cisterns that can hold no water.
Jesus is God's only begotten Son; Michael is not. Jesus has authority Michael does not have. They're separate beings, with Jesus being God, along with His Father & the Holy Spirit.
And remember, Michael wouldn't call Satan by any bad names, while Jesus didn't hesitate to.
Jude8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.
9Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”9
Jesus speaking in John8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
So much for your SDA garbage.
Yes, yes, what you said it seems and it is a very interesting biblical enigma which calls to a profound study to find an explanation and the understanding between the two situations. It piqued my curiosity, and I see that the mystery is not so superficial, it is a very deep biblical enigma, I would say, for instance, it is like the enigma of the Greater Light and Lesser light in Gen.1:v.16, both made by the Most High and Almighty God by the word of prophecy in the fourth Day or after 4,000 years of works, as He revealed to Moses only after be passed 2,500 years or two Days and half. JESUS was born around 1,500 years after Moses. (one Day and half)
But what would be the mystery of this great difference between both JESUS and Michael in to face or confronting Satan, as is showed through Scriptures was quoted above? Honestly, it is not easy to speak of Gods' mysteries. (let me try to write the differences with the best I can, in accord my particular and peculiar vision. Again: it is my particular study for the first time, which I have just done, now it is in my vison and understanding)
In my meditation with the help of God, analysing the God's plan for restoration or restitution of all things(Acts 3:v.19-26 combined with Genesis 1), what I could discern by the Word of God is that the extention of the Great God's Plan of restitute of all things reaches not only to Israel, but it overtakes to the Gentile peoples. In other words, from Orient to Occident or East to West.
That said, spiritually speaking, the material things are figure of spiritual things, then in my meditation I understood, as I wrote above, that the Greater Light was born in the Orient - Israel - it is a Jewish Man, it is JESUS, the Son of God - and the Lesser Light was born in the Occident - in a Gentile nation - it is a Gentile Man, it is Michael the Archangel, created by God. In my particular and peculiar meditation, these differences between JESUS and Michael explain the difference of each one in to face or confronting Satan as showed in the verses above.
But there is another very deep detail to consider, as follows:
Satan is the son of perdition, a former Cherub (is not a Cherub greater than an archangel?), he is the MAN of sin, and as JESUS said, the former Cherub is the father of the Jews (John 8:v.44), he is the angel of Abyss, Abaddon (Rev.9:v. 11), but he will manifest himself as a lamb, he is the esoteric/spiritist/kabbalistic false messiah of the Jews, a false lamb, a false messiah, and he speaks as a Dragon (Rev.13:v.11). Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders(2 Thes.2:v.9-12).
That said, I will comment on the differences in the confront with Satan, first by Jesus and after by Michael.
As a Man, JESUS is a Jewish, and Satan is also a Jewish man, the man of sin. JESUS is the only one that was not born of the sin, or from the Devil, all the others were born of Devil. This explains the why it is necessary to be born again, to be born of the water and of the Spirit. God is spirit. That said, the Power of JESUS (a Jewish Man - the Word made flesh) against Satan(a Jewish man - a former Cherub created by God - it is very very large.
As far as Michael is concerned, the situation is very different, he is a Gentile man, but Satan is Jewish; Satan's nationality is superior to Michael's, and Michael as an archangel takes this into account when confronting Satan, a former Cherub. Michael was born in the bosom of the Church, by the way, the Church of the Lord JESUS is a virgin yet. Isaiah prophesied, saying: Isaiah 7:v.14-16
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16 For BEFORE THE CHILD(Rev.12:v.1-2&5&7) SHALL KNOW TO REFUSE THE EVIL, AND CHOOSE THE GOOD (this prophecy is not about JESUS, absolutely, but Michael - Read what JESUS said about the Gentile Michael in Luke 15:v.11-32) the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. THIS GOD'S MYSTERY IS GREAT AND DEEP evidently. The Word is God.
Concluding the subject, the difference between the greatness of JESUS as God, and Michael as a created archangel of God, it is unfathomable.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
Alofa Atu
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Right.
What evidence did you provide against what I have presented that shows that Michael is the Son of God, under yet another designation?
What authority does Jesus have that Michael does not also display?
This is your unproven assertion, and as of yet, you still have not presented any scriptural documentation, while I have so provided plenty of scriptural documentation and even baptist commentators who agree with my (that is the scriptural) position.
Right, but that does not mean that Jesus - Immanuel - Adam - Lion - Word - JEHOVAH - I AM - Michael, etc does not have multiple designations for each of His functions. Michael the archangel is simply the designation of His eternal position of that of being the messenger of the Father's will.
Jesus never called satan any bad names either. The koine Greek is 'blasphemous' (railing accusation), and Jesus would never use such methods of the devil, for the devil is the blasphemous accuser.
Indeed, as Jesus, came as the messenger of the Father's will, in resurrecting Moses, and thus came in His High exalted office of Michael (One who is like unto God [the Father]) the archangel (the highest messenger).
The Son could therefore only speak what the Father gave Him to speak and no more, lest He do His own will. See also the like passage in the OT:
Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Jesus, said the same thing with Zechariah the high priest, as with over Moses. The events perfectly parallel in language and events.
That is not calling the devil a 'bad name'. That is factually identifying the person of the devil, and is not a 'railing [blasphemous] accusation'. Also, Jesus still wasn't speaking on His own authority, and so says:
Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
You sure do like to boast before the battle is won, but, when a real battle comes to you, you flee the field.
Alofa Atu
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Have you ever considered the unfallen beings on the unfallen worlds?
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
Mat 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk_19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Isa_13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Isa_40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
Mat 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk_19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Isa_13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Isa_40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Your theory is false, it is satanic, its a lie, your spirit is a deceiver spirit, a sower of doctrine of demons. The spirit that speaks from you is a demon. Seems you are a follower of those which have familiar spirits, spirits of demons, which profess the religion of the spiritists or esoterical beliefs.
The theory you have posted seems like the vision of the woman of Endor that Saul consulted and asked to the python to bring up Samuel to him. The python said to Saul: "I see gods ascending out of the earth", such as Satan have showed unto you and you describe your satanic theory through your devilish post.
Matt.16:v.21-23
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.