Rick Warren and the Ecumenical Movement

[Zaac]

"Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first, unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come, and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition),.." 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Rick Warren recently canceled an Obama-Romney forum event at Saddleback Church. In it's place he will be holding an ecumenical event.

I have invited the leading Catholic voice in America, the leading Jewish voice in America, and the leading Muslim voice in America to join me. We obviously have different beliefs, but we are all "neighbors" in the national sense and the scriptures command us to "love your neighbor as yourself." But one thing we all have in common is the mutual concern for protecting religious freedom for everyone. We intend to speak out for each other. If the government suddenly decreed that all Jewish delis must now offer pork, you'd find me opposing that with my rabbi friends. I don't have a problem with pork, but I support your right to follow your faith.

Rick Warren Event

Why does it seem that this man is continuing to aid the devil in the bringing about of the One World Religion in which every "faith" is under the same umbrella and seen as equally viable?

He's dangerous and seems to be quite unBiblical.

 

[Yeshua1]

"Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first, unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come, and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition),.." 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Rick Warren recently canceled an Obama-Romney forum event at Saddleback Church. In it's place he will be holding an ecumenical event.




Why does it seem that this man is continuing to aid the devil in the bringing about of the One World Religion in which every "faith" is under the same umbrella and seen as equally viable?

He's dangerous and seems to be quite unBiblical.

Know what he is trying to do here is to speak out in a united front against religious freedoms being denied and taken back by our government BUT

I am not concerned with that as much as his seeming to be trying to have muslims/Catholics etc all be seen as believing in same God, having valid religious expressions etc!

 

[abcgrad94]

RW actually believes Muslims want to protect religious freedoms? Their Koran teaches death to the infidels, which means all non-Muslims.

 

[SolaSaint]

Does Rick Warren ever tell these ecuminical friends of his the truth? I mean will he ever tell them that Islam and Catholicism are heretical and that he believes in the only way to God the Father?

 

[righteousdude2]

I Said it Before, and I'll Say it Again....

When I think of the ecumenical movement, my mind goes back to a very old story about a Protestant minister, a priest and a Bhuddist serving as missionaries in Africa.

One day after an ecumenical prayer meeting between the three, they made their way on home along the path from the village, and without warning, the three men were suddenly attacked and eaten by a huge, ravenous lion. The lion was very hungry, and he devoured all three men.

However, later that night, the lion came down with a belly ache, and after suffering for a few hours, he relieved himself by having an "ecumenical" movement! :smilewinkgrin:

While it is admirable that all religions get together and share in the particular beliefs, there is something wrong with Christ centered churches being politically correct and aligning themselves with churches, religions and faiths that denounce the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

I hope my story didn't offend anyone, but as you can clearly see, I have NEVER been supportive of the ecumenical movement among the faiths of this world.

Shalom!

 

[saturneptune]

When I think of the ecumenical movement, my mind goes back to a very old story about a Protestant minister, a priest and a Bhuddist serving as missionaries in Africa.

One day after an ecumenical prayer meeting between the three, they made their way on home along the path from the village, and without warning, the three men were suddenly attacked and eaten by a huge, ravenous lion. The lion was very hungry, and he devoured all three men.

However, later that night, the lion came down with a belly ache, and after suffering for a few hours, he relieved himself by having an "ecumenical" movement! :smilewinkgrin:

While it is admirable that all religions get together and share in the particular beliefs, there is something wrong with Christ centered churches being politically correct and aligning themselves with churches, religions and faiths that denounce the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

I hope my story didn't offend anyone, but as you can clearly see, I have NEVER been supportive of the ecumenical movement among the faiths of this world.

Shalom!

On a local scale, we have worked with some Protestant churches in helping the poor in the community through a cooperative effort. On rare occasion, some of the churches in the area have worked with the Catholic Church on the right to life issue. I look at cooperating with other churches this way, how they view Jesus Christ. Despite vast differences, the Catholics do believe He is the Son of God, and is God, as do the Protestant churches.

That is a vast difference from trying to bring together anti Christian faiths, such a Muslim, JW, Mormons, Hindu, Shinto etc............. It is all about how one looks at Jesus.

Even with the cooperation mentioned above, I do not believe in interdenominatinal churches as a place to worship. That is a different thing than cooperating with like Christian faiths to do the Lords work in the community.

I notice no one addressed the Jewish faith in this regard.

 

[Zaac]

While it is admirable that all religions get together and share in the particular beliefs, there is something wrong with Christ centered churches being politically correct and aligning themselves with churches, religions and faiths that denounce the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

I hope my story didn't offend anyone, but as you can clearly see, I have NEVER been supportive of the ecumenical movement among the faiths of this world.

Shalom!

This is dead on.:applause: And I see the same problem with this whole ecumenical movement as I do with so much in the Church today.

We seem to think that our sacrifices should supersede our obedience. It's as though we think we are doing God a favor with some of this stuff. And if the perceived outcome is favorable, then we should do it no matter what God's word says about how we are to operate.

 

[Zaac]

I notice no one addressed the Jewish faith in this regard.

Add them in too cause they are just as lost as the others.

 

[Zaac]

Does Rick Warren ever tell these ecuminical friends of his the truth? I mean will he ever tell them that Islam and Catholicism are heretical and that he believes in the only way to God the Father?

Telling them the truth seems to take a back seat to his agenda. Which again is why I say we got a problem with our sacrifice coming before obedience.

 

[go2church]

That you could read that and somehow get that he is wanting everyone to a part of a one world religion is bias to the 100th degree!

Religious freedom for all has historically been a core value for Baptists. It is not promoting a one world religion in order to come together and say everyone has the right to believe and practice whatever faith their conscience dictates. In fact not only is it NOT ecumenical, it's downright Baptist!

 

[webdog]

That you could read that and somehow get that he is wanting everyone to a part of a one world religion is bias to the 100th degree!

Religious freedom for all has historically been a core value for Baptists. It is not promoting a one world religion in order to come together and say everyone has the right to believe and practice whatever faith their conscience dictates. In fact not only is it NOT ecumenical, it's downright Baptist!

That was my first thought, too, but to those who abhor RW it is senseless in stating facts.

 

[webdog]

RW actually believes Muslims want to protect religious freedoms? Their Koran teaches death to the infidels, which means all non-Muslims.

I think he is talking about the American muslims, who are like American "christians" (don't know what their own religion even teaches)

Not sure where the OP gets ecumenism from this article. It is not a secret every American wants the freedom to practice their religion regardless of what it is. Why is this even an issue? Warren is not saying all religions are valid, he is saying all religions desire THIS.

 

[Zaac]

That you could read that and somehow get that he is wanting everyone to a part of a one world religion is bias to the 100th degree!

That you would read that and come away with me having said that's what he wants is bias to the 100th degree as I didn't say that's what he wanted. :laugh

He's aiding the devil because he thinks this ecumenical bring everybody together stuff.

 

[TCGreek]

"Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first, unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come, and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition),.." 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Rick Warren recently canceled an Obama-Romney forum event at Saddleback Church. In it's place he will be holding an ecumenical event.




Why does it seem that this man is continuing to aid the devil in the bringing about of the One World Religion in which every "faith" is under the same umbrella and seen as equally viable?

He's dangerous and seems to be quite unBiblical.

Let God have the final say. Not you.

 

[Yeshua1]

Let God have the final say. Not you.

He always does!

 

[Van]

Lets see, we want religious freedom to practice our beliefs, but we do not want others to have the religious freedom to practice theirs because that is aiding the devil. Does that not match the Muslim view, we want to practice our religion but that includes banning all others?

I see nothing wrong with treating others as we want to be treated, as long as we do not blur the truth by stating Muslims want religious freedom for other religions.

 

[Aaron]

Let God have the final say. Not you.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Seems He's spoken on it.

 

[Aaron]

In fact not only is it NOT ecumenical, it's downright Baptist!

So, a Baptist policy should be embodied in the Constitution, and a Muslim policy, that of oppressing religious dissent, should not.

How is that compatible with with Baptist separation of church and state?

 

[Zaac]

Let God have the final say. Not you.

???Did I say something that would hinder GOD from having the final say?

 

[Zaac]

Lets see, we want religious freedom to practice our beliefs, but we do not want others to have the religious freedom to practice theirs because that is aiding the devil. Does that not match the Muslim view, we want to practice our religion but that includes banning all others?

Again

Who said anything about not wanting others to have religious freedom?

If Christians are serious about Jesus Christ being the Way, then we need to stop and IMMEDIATELY with this ecumenical, let's just all get along stuff. We're too busy trying to be the world's friend when we should be preaching the Gospel. God hasn't told us to yoke ourselves to unbelievers just because we have a common cause.

We've got this seriously WRONG notion that we can just gloss over Jesus and move on to what we think is a greater need.

Who cares about religious freedom when the same folks are dying and going to an eternal lake of fire.

God can handle religious freedom. The quest for maintaining religious freedom should not overshadow our calling to keep Christ first. And that entails obedience.

I see nothing wrong with treating others as we want to be treated, as long as we do not blur the truth by stating Muslims want religious freedom for other religions.

Again, no one said to mistreat anyone. But there is no reason for Christians to be partnering with unbelievers.

But again, I say the exact same thing about Christians partnering with the unbeliever running for President out of the GOP.