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Rick Warren Finds the Missing Link

guitarpreacher

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So Rev, what I hear you saying is this: If a family is starving and it would take $200 to provide food for the family but you only have $100, Your options are 1) Do nothing and let them starve; or 2) Put your $100 together with a Catholic's $100 and provide for the family; your option is 1) let them starve because you don't want to be associated in any way with a Catholic.

Am I hearing right?
 

Revmitchell

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guitarpreacher said:
So Rev, what I hear you saying is this: If a family is starving and it would take $200 to provide food for the family but you only have $100, Your options are 1) Do nothing and let them starve; or 2) Put your $100 together with a Catholic's $100 and provide for the family; your option is 1) let them starve because you don't want to be associated in any way with a Catholic.

Am I hearing right?

An unnecessary hypothetical. You could not convince me that such a predicament would ever take place. I work to feed families in need all the time and I have never had to appeal to godless cults.
 

Joshua Rhodes

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Revmitchell said:
So it wasn't the book but the scripture in the book?

Who knows? You seemed pretty sure that nothing he said in the book could direct her to Christ. My question was how do you know?
 

Revmitchell

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Joshua Rhodes said:
Who knows? You seemed pretty sure that nothing he said in the book could direct her to Christ. My question was how do you know?


Since his mentor is Robert Schuller and he is willing to stand on a stage and minister with T.D. Jakes a known oneness pentacostla who denies the trinity why would I have confidence in anythign he writes? And if you aren't willing to say anything other than "who knows" then defending his position may not be appropriate for you since it appears to be so questionable.
 

ccrobinson

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An unnecessary hypothetical. You could not convince me that such a predicament would ever take place. I work to feed families in need all the time and I have never had to appeal to godless cults.

According to Revmitchell, Catholics = godless cult. Are we allowed to make that kind of attack against Catholics on this board?

Revmitchell, are you against abortion? How about homosexuality? Do you know that the Catholic church is against those things too?
 

webdog

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Revmitchell said:
Since his mentor is Robert Schuller and he is willing to stand on a stage and minister with T.D. Jakes a known oneness pentacostla who denies the trinity why would I have confidence in anythign he writes? And if you aren't willing to say anything other than "who knows" then defending his position may not be appropriate for you since it appears to be so questionable.
I didn't realize standing on a stage meant automatic association with someone. That's a new one.

Where do you get the Robert Schuller mentorship from?
 

Joshua Rhodes

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Revmitchell said:
Since his mentor is Robert Schuller and he is willing to stand on a stage and minister with T.D. Jakes a known oneness pentacostla who denies the trinity why would I have confidence in anythign he writes? And if you aren't willing to say anything other than "who knows" then defending his position may not be appropriate for you since it appears to be so questionable.

You misunderstand... I'm not defending him as much as I'm trying to get you to see that you're attack is stupid. You're the one making assertions that no one could be pointed to Christ through reading his book. I'm done with you.

Someone once said it is better for people to think you're ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Keep talking, and others will continue to call you on the ridiculous, idiotic and silly assertions that you make all over this board. I'm done, however, lest my arguing with you makes me an idiot by association. Good day.

:BangHead:
 

dan e.

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Joshua Rhodes said:
You misunderstand... I'm not defending him as much as I'm trying to get you to see that you're attack is stupid. You're the one making assertions that no one could be pointed to Christ through reading his book. I'm done with you.

Someone once said it is better for people to think you're ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Keep talking, and others will continue to call you on the ridiculous, idiotic and silly assertions that you make all over this board. I'm done, however, lest my arguing with you makes me an idiot by association. Good day.

:BangHead:

I love it when people speak my thoughts much better than I can :applause:
 

Revmitchell

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Joshua Rhodes said:
You misunderstand... I'm not defending him as much as I'm trying to get you to see that you're attack is stupid. You're the one making assertions that no one could be pointed to Christ through reading his book. I'm done with you.

Someone once said it is better for people to think you're ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Keep talking, and others will continue to call you on the ridiculous, idiotic and silly assertions that you make all over this board. I'm done, however, lest my arguing with you makes me an idiot by association. Good day.

:BangHead:


Interesting that I never attacked you, never said anything accusing of you and you say your not defending him but yet you cast these attacks on me as if something here is personal for you. Your rhetoric is inappropriate and unnecessary.
 

just-want-peace

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John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going------.

Well, I think we can tell where this wind is coming from, but not sure where it's going!! :BangHead:
 

annsni

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For a time before I had my 2 little ones, I worked on the Red Cross disaster team. The big event that I worked was the crash of TWA Flight 800 that was on it's way to Paris from NY. I was there to supply food, medical equipment, physical needs supplies and an area for a well-needed break for the men and women who were trying to salvage what they could from the water - and recover as many bodies as possible. I was about 50 yards from the Coast Guard boathouse that served as a temporary morgue and I saw body bags being carried in and large pieces of the plane be brought to shore and placed on flat beds to be brought to another location. These men and women had a great need there and I was happy to serve alongside ANYONE else who would be there. I was able to minister to many of the men and women, pray with them and pray for them - as I worked alongside the Hooters girls who came to deliver lunch one afternoon. While I certainly can't stand Hooters, they atleast were there to help fill a need and I was happy that SOMEONE was there. If the churches will not step up and help with the situations that are out there, then we need to be willing to work with others who will - and therefore we also have a chance to minister to the others of other beliefs and faith. Meeting the physical needs in this world is not the sole responsibility of the government or other private agencies - the church should be involved too. And if other faiths are willing to come alongside and work with us, who are we to say "No - you cannot because we don't associate with the likes of you."? When I worked that crash site, I didn't care what faith someone had because we were meeting a solid physical need. I can't imagine being so closed to God's opportunities that I would refuse to do anything if it involved other faiths.
 

dan e.

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Revmitchell said:
An unnecessary hypothetical. You could not convince me that such a predicament would ever take place. I work to feed families in need all the time and I have never had to appeal to godless cults.

annsni said:
For a time before I had my 2 little ones, I worked on the Red Cross disaster team. The big event that I worked was the crash of TWA Flight 800 that was on it's way to Paris from NY. I was there to supply food, medical equipment, physical needs supplies and an area for a well-needed break for the men and women who were trying to salvage what they could from the water - and recover as many bodies as possible. I was about 50 yards from the Coast Guard boathouse that served as a temporary morgue and I saw body bags being carried in and large pieces of the plane be brought to shore and placed on flat beds to be brought to another location. These men and women had a great need there and I was happy to serve alongside ANYONE else who would be there. I was able to minister to many of the men and women, pray with them and pray for them - as I worked alongside the Hooters girls who came to deliver lunch one afternoon. While I certainly can't stand Hooters, they atleast were there to help fill a need and I was happy that SOMEONE was there. If the churches will not step up and help with the situations that are out there, then we need to be willing to work with others who will - and therefore we also have a chance to minister to the others of other beliefs and faith. Meeting the physical needs in this world is not the sole responsibility of the government or other private agencies - the church should be involved too. And if other faiths are willing to come alongside and work with us, who are we to say "No - you cannot because we don't associate with the likes of you."? When I worked that crash site, I didn't care what faith someone had because we were meeting a solid physical need. I can't imagine being so closed to God's opportunities that I would refuse to do anything if it involved other faiths.


Wow. Great example.
 

donnA

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Great story ann, working along side of anyone does not mean you agree with them, or are promoting them.
 

Revmitchell

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annsni said:
For a time before I had my 2 little ones, I worked on the Red Cross disaster team. The big event that I worked was the crash of TWA Flight 800 that was on it's way to Paris from NY. I was there to supply food, medical equipment, physical needs supplies and an area for a well-needed break for the men and women who were trying to salvage what they could from the water - and recover as many bodies as possible. I was about 50 yards from the Coast Guard boathouse that served as a temporary morgue and I saw body bags being carried in and large pieces of the plane be brought to shore and placed on flat beds to be brought to another location. These men and women had a great need there and I was happy to serve alongside ANYONE else who would be there. I was able to minister to many of the men and women, pray with them and pray for them - as I worked alongside the Hooters girls who came to deliver lunch one afternoon. While I certainly can't stand Hooters, they atleast were there to help fill a need and I was happy that SOMEONE was there. If the churches will not step up and help with the situations that are out there, then we need to be willing to work with others who will - and therefore we also have a chance to minister to the others of other beliefs and faith. Meeting the physical needs in this world is not the sole responsibility of the government or other private agencies - the church should be involved too. And if other faiths are willing to come alongside and work with us, who are we to say "No - you cannot because we don't associate with the likes of you."? When I worked that crash site, I didn't care what faith someone had because we were meeting a solid physical need. I can't imagine being so closed to God's opportunities that I would refuse to do anything if it involved other faiths.

What are other "faiths"? Those who deny Jesus as the Son of God? Or those who deny that Christ blood is sufficient? How about the faith of the terrorists?

This example is not equivilent to what warren is suggesting. You showed up with no real intent to combine efforts with other faiths. What warren is doing shows his ecumenical purposes.
 

Revmitchell

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webdog said:
Supplying links to two sites with like agenda is not proof. Try again...

The evidence is their. You can search for reasons to ignore it if you like. That is most certainly you option.
 

annsni

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Revmitchell said:
What are other "faiths"? Those who deny Jesus as the Son of God? Or those who deny that Christ blood is sufficient? How about the faith of the terrorists?

Any of the above.

This example is not equivilent to what warren is suggesting. You showed up with no real intent to combine efforts with other faiths. What warren is doing shows his ecumenical purposes.

Of course I was! I knew that the Hooters girls were going to be there the second day I was there. I was pretty sure that they do not have the same faith as me. I also was absolutely positive that not every one of the hundreds of people who were there those days had the same faith as me. While we were not pulled together because of our faith, we certainly all brought our faith there when we went. I went as a Christian and I ministered to others, sharing my faith and the Gospel. I was able to do the same with 2 of the Hooters girls and some of the others who were with me directly. What is the difference?

It's interesting that in the parable of the good Samaritan, Jesus showed that even those who are not of our faith can assist us in doing "good works". Did the Samaritan make sure the innkeeper was of his same faith when he brought the man to him? Or did he ask the man to take care of him regardless of the faith? I would hope that in a disaster, we could use our strengths as people to minister to the needs of others - and work alongside others who are willing to do the same regardless of their beliefs. What a wonderful way to share the Gospel with someone who we might not have a chance to meet otherwise! Oh, and poverty, disease and war IS a disaster.
 

webdog

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Revmitchell said:
The evidence is their. You can search for reasons to ignore it if you like. That is most certainly you option.
Smoking gun sites are hardly "evidence". For a "reverend" I would hope you would know that...
 
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