Rick Warren Finds the Missing Link

[webdog]

More personal attacks. Nothing substantial just attacks.

Try growing some thicker skin. I said you are sounding like him...not that you are him. Quit playing the martyr.

 

[Revmitchell]

Try growing some thicker skin. I said you are sounding like him...not that you are him. Quit playing the martyr.

You think that sounds better?

 

[webdog]

 

[J.D.]

You folks just ain't gettin it about this "faith community" stuff. There is no such thing as any kind of community between Christ and Belial. I don't care how much they believe in their god or how moral they are or how much they care about the poor.

The whole world hunger/aids/environment movement is nothing but hype. It's symbolism over substance. It's Volvo-driving yuppies giving lip service the poor in order to feel good about themselves. It's white-glove philanthropy. There, I said it and I aint takin it back!

I like what John Piper said. To paraphrase, if you want to do something about the poor, then why don't you get out there and build a Gospel-preaching-Bible-teaching Church IN that community? But you might have to actually touch and smell them if you do that.

 

[Linda64]

Quote:
From his speech

“[Organized religion] is bigger … than India and China together. It is the most widespread network in the world and the first truly global organization with the largest pool of volunteers,” Warren said

This would be an ecumenical ideology.

AMEN! :thumbs:

I see it as "love your neighbor as yourself".

I see it as "let's all hold hands and sing 'Kum Ba Ya'"---forget about Jesus, the Bible and salvation. It's NOT "love your neighbor as yourself" to turn to "faith based organizations as the "missing link" to solving the world's problems! My Bible says, the grace of God in Christ is sufficient to solve ANY problem. NOTHING is impossible with God! Why are we joining the "world" in trying to solve the world's problems? Are we not to be separate from the world...are we not to be different than the world?

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

2 Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

When stating the second great commandment "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.", don't forget to put that commandment in context with the first and greatest commandment:

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Those two commandments go together...one won't work apart from the other.

 

[Linda64]

You folks just ain't gettin it about this "faith community" stuff. There is no such thing as any kind of community between Christ and Belial. I don't care how much they believe in their god or how moral they are or how much they care about the poor.

The whole world hunger/aids/environment movement is nothing but hype. It's symbolism over substance. It's Volvo-driving yuppies giving lip service the poor in order to feel good about themselves. It's white-glove philanthropy. There, I said it and I aint takin it back!

I like what John Piper said. To paraphrase, if you want to do something about the poor, then why don't you get out there and build a Gospel-preaching-Bible-teaching Church IN that community? But you might have to actually touch and smell them if you do that.

Right on J.D.! :thumbs:

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

I agree! To think that there are people here that believe that you can't join in and help others with other people of different faiths is crazy!

I wonder if they just limit it to people of different faiths or whether they would not help out when athiet's were around?

I can understand if you were asked to give up your faith or belief's to help and they were asking you to suppress what you believed in, then they might have a point.

From what I gathered from the article was RW wants everyone of faith to join in with the bussiness world and the government to help correct some of the world's problems. How this can be a bad thing I don't understand.

Given a chance to help out others with other people of different faiths, wouldn't that be a prime time to witness to them and help them see where they believe in a false God?

Jamie

Maybe we should let all of the others work together, and then let the Christians band together on our own. I wonder who would get more work done for the issues at hand. Would the Christians bicker and argue enough that the others would be glad we weren't involved in the relief?

I heard the intro to an old dcTalk song the other day that I was reminded of this morning: "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

 

[annsni]

"Faith Community" does not mean that all people of some sort of faith have to put their beliefs on a back burner in order to be part of that community. It's a description of a characteristic to tie a group of people together when discussing that group. Those who are of the "faith community" are those who go to church, go to synagogue, have SOME kind of faith in their lives - even if it's wrong. It would be like saying the "law community" - but the lawyers don't necessarily have to agree with each other or even like each other. It's a CATEGORY - not an ecumenical ideology! It's someone categorizing people from the outside - not the joining together of everyone inside the category.

Once again, is Rick Warren asking us to put our faith aside and JOIN with others to do a work or is he saying that everyone who claims to have any kind of faith is a huge number of volunteers and if they all did what their faith said to do (take care of others) that a lot of the issues in this world would be taken care of? That's what I see him saying. How many churches just turn their backs on those in need? I think it's a large number.

 

[ccrobinson]

How many churches just turn their backs on those in need? I think it's a large number.

I think it's a large number also, and I think those churches justify it with the reasoning that is seen in this thread. Churches turn their backs on those in need and then celebrate that they've kept themselves separated from the world.

 

[webdog]

I see it as "let's all hold hands and sing 'Kum Ba Ya'"---forget about Jesus, the Bible and salvation. It's NOT "love your neighbor as yourself" to turn to "faith based organizations as the "missing link" to solving the world's problems! My Bible says, the grace of God in Christ is sufficient to solve ANY problem. NOTHING is impossible with God! Why are we joining the "world" in trying to solve the world's problems? Are we not to be separate from the world...are we not to be different than the world?

your are taking what one person SAYS RW SAID...not what RW actually said...and basing your strawman off of that. If I recall, we are to be in the world but not OF it.