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Webdog is trying to be flippant of course but he's actually on to something. In my experience it's the KJVO crowd that is opposed to witchcraft and the evangelical, new evangelical, emergent, new age Church that seems to embrace it and those folks don't like our Bible either.Bro. Williams said:oooh, that was quick!
Ecclesiastes 8:4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?
Maybe you have never met a king!
Rufus_1611 said:What are you talking about? Some of us are working very hard to warn folks of the dangers inherent in being amused by witchcraft. The Bible is very clear on such matters and yet we have one of the most well known "pastors" of our day, an SBC Baptist no less, promoting witchcraft on his website.
Correct, the author is White, the website is Warren's. If Rick Warren is in favor of the Bible and opposed to witchcraft he'll edit Emery's recommendation.
Effective at what?
let's stop getting our noses bent out of shape and trying hard to bring down effective ministries
Rufus_1611 said:Webdog is trying to be flippant of course but he's actually on to something. In my experience it's the KJVO crowd that is opposed to witchcraft and the evangelical, new evangelical, emergent, new age Church that seems to embrace it and those folks don't like our Bible either.
With this remark, I'm sure your "findings" will be "unbiased" for sure
ABOUT ETERNITY
Man was created to exist forever. He will either exist eternally separated from God by sin, or in union with God through forgiveness and salvation. To be eternally separated from God is Hell. To be eternally in union with Him is eternal life. Heaven and Hell are places of eternal existence.
John 3:16; John 2:25; John 5:11-13; Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:15; 1 John 5:11-12; Matthew 25:31-46
ABOUT JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is co-equal with the Father. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all men by dying on a cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heaven´s glory and will return again to earth to reign as King of kings, and Lord of lords.
Matthew 1:22,23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5, 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14,15; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; Romans 1:3,4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6:14,15; Titus 2:13
ABOUT SALVATION
Salvation is a gift from God to man. Man can never make up for his sin by self-improvement or good works. Only by trusting in Jesus Christ as God´s offer of forgiveness can man be saved from sin´s penalty. Eternal life begins the moment one receives Jesus Christ into his life by faith.
Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8,9; John 14:6, 1:12; Titus 3:5; Galatians 3:26; Romans 5:1
ABOUT THE BIBLE
The Bible is God´s word to all men. It was written by human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs and living. Because it is inspired by God, it is truth without any mixture of error.
2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20,21; 2 Timothy 1:13; Psalm 119:105,160, 12:6; Proverbs 30:5)
“Movie stars and political leaders aren't the only ones turning to Rick Warren for spiritual guidance. Millions of people – from NFL and LPGA players to corporate executives to high school students to prison inmates – meet regularly to discuss The Purpose Driven Life.”
24 SIGNS THAT YOUR CHURCH IS GOING PURPOSE DRIVEN
1. Change in music to a contemporary rock style.
2. Removal of hymn books; eliminating the choir.
3. Replacement of organ and piano with heavy metal instruments.
4. Repetitive singing of praise lyrics.
5. Dressing down to casual and informal attire.
6. Elminating of business meetings, church committees, council of elders, board of deacons, etc.
7. The pastor, or a new leader with a few assistants, usually four, takes charge of all church business.
8. A repetitive 40-day Purpose Driven Church study program stressing psychological relationships with each other, the community, or the world, begins.
9. Funded budgeted programs are abandoned, or ignored, with ambiguous financial reports made.
10. Sunday morning, evening, and/or Wednesday prayer meetings are changed to other times; some may even be eliminated.
11. Sunday School teachers are moved to different classes, or replaced by new teachers more sympathetic with the changes being implemented.
12. The name "Sunday School" is dropped and classes are given new names.
13. Crosses and other traditional Christian symbols may be moved from both the inside and outside of the church building. The pulpit may also be removed.
14. In accordance with Dr. Warren's instructions, new version Bibles are used; or only verses flashed on a screen are referenced during regular services.
15. Purpose Driven Church films, purchased from Saddleback, precede or are used during regular services.
16. The decor, including the carpets, may be changed to eliminate any resemblance to the former church.
17. The word "church" is often taken from the name of the church, and the church may be called a "campus". Denominational names may also be removed.
18. An emphasis on more fun and party sessions for the youth.
19. Elimination of altar calls or salvation invitations at the close of the services.
20. The elimination of such words as "unsaved," "lost," "sin," "Hell," "Heaven," and other Gospel verities from the pastor's messages.
21. The reclassification of the saved and lost to the "churched" and "unchurched."
22. The marginalizing, or ostracizing, of all who are not avid promoters of the new Purpose Driven Program.
23. Closed meetings between the pastor or chosen staff members without any reports made to the general membership.
24. Open hostility to members who do not openly embrace the new program, or who may have left for another church.
Bro. Williams said:Well amen and amen. Glad to know that there are others on here who see that wolf in sheep's clothing for what he really is.
Bro. Williams said:There are quite a few referencing God's annointed, OT and NT.
Good thing I was talking about Slick Warren and not God's annointed eh?
In my experience it's the KJVO crowd that is opposed to witchcraft and the evangelical, new evangelical, emergent, new age Church that seems to embrace it and those folks don't like our Bible either.
Bro. Williams said:More comfortable than you should be, thinking that deciever is of God.
ShotGunWillie said:The gospel must be hidden, because it isn't there, neither does it lie within the churches mission statement.
They take you as you are, you come in as you are and you leave as your are. You don't need to change, the church will conform to fit your needs. That's the way it is, they offer all 31 flavors of worship, pick what you like and what you want.
No, he doesn't wear a suit
No, he doesn't preach from a Bible, nor does he fancy a certain "translation", he generally choses a paraphrase Bible or whatever Bible he decides makes his points the best. Remember, he doesn't like doctrine (2Tim4:3). That's what he says.
No, he doesn't pattern his worship services after the 1950s, he doesn't have worship services, unless they are glorifying him.
ShotGunWillie said:Will do, give me a minute, there is a bunch of source material on this wolf in sheep's clothing.
I'm not saying it's absolute and it's Webdog's brush. He painted KJVO into this thread, I was agreeing that there might be something to it.ccrobinson said:I'm not KJVO, oppose witchcraft and love the KJV. Your brush is too broad.
ShotGunWillie said:these have been updated in the last three or four months. I haven't been back to his website in a while and when I read their Statement of Faith it was different wording and a lot of words were left out that must have been recently added.
But according to what I posted earlier, I stand corrected, about their beliefs I stand corrected, well, until further notice of course.
dan e. said:Again...why does everyone feel like other PEOPLE are the enemy?? Have you heard of Satan, and spiritual forces? Or do you just condemn everyone to hell without caring for them.
I'll ask you the same question: You're not in the ministry, are you? God help us.