Right to rebel?

[Revmitchell]

You're right I did miss the point... It's early and I haven't had enough coffee

I now see your point and it is interesting. I'll have to think on that. Thanks!

In other words if we stand against tyrannts then we are only obeying the very nature of how our government was created. The idea that a tyrannical government would be opposed and fought against by the people of this country is the very reason and nature of the 2nd amendment. Therefore it is part of the very nature of the American system.

Again, which is the reason Obama and his ilk do not like it.

 

[RLBosley]

In other words if we stand against tyrannts then we are only obeying the very nature of how our government was created. The idea that a tyrannical government would be opposed and fought against by the people of this country is the very reason and nature of the 2nd amendment. Therefore it is part of the very nature of the American system.

Again, which is the reason Obama and his ilk do not like it.

I gotcha.

I think that the more plausible reason BO and co don't like it is because they just don't like/are afraid of guns. Hoplophobia.

 

[Benjamin]

I think that the more plausible reason BO and co don't like it is because they just don't like/are afraid of guns. Hoplophobia.

Word! :smilewinkgrin: I also believe leftist arguments against guns often fall back to senseless rhetoric and unmovable reasoning and positions based on an “irrational” fear of guns. I started a thread a while back and suggested there was truth and value behind using the defining term (“hoplophobia”) as a tool in debate because it could redirect the opposition’s argument by asking for “rational” reason apart from fearful insecurities about guns…but I got nothing but flak from people here who didn’t seem to be able to follow my arguments or recognize the benefits of using a straightforward descriptive term as a shortcut to demand honest reasoning apart from irrational gun fears:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=83423

Ah well....I'll just keep my opinions concerning those who irrationally avoid calling out closet Hoplophobes... :tongue3: :laugh:

 

[Revmitchell]

I gotcha.

I think that the more plausible reason BO and co don't like it is because they just don't like/are afraid of guns. Hoplophobia.

The fact that works against that is that is has been part of the Marxist agenda for years. This is nothing new.

 

[RLBosley]

The fact that works against that is that is has been part of the Marxist agenda for years. This is nothing new.

Granted, but it (fear/antagonism towards guns and gun owners) could just as easily be a "symptom" of an over-arching predisposition that inclines them to Marxism... not stemming from their adherence to Marxism...

Personally, I love my guns and can't stand the statists... I guess that make me "dangerous"

 

[RLBosley]

Word! :smilewinkgrin: I also believe leftist arguments against guns often fall back to senseless rhetoric and unmovable reasoning and positions based on an “irrational” fear of guns. I started a thread a while back and suggested there was truth and value behind using the defining term (“hoplophobia”) as a tool in debate because it could redirect the opposition’s argument by asking for “rational” reason apart from fearful insecurities about guns…but I got nothing but flak from people here who didn’t seem to be able to follow my arguments or recognize the benefits of using a straightforward descriptive term as a shortcut to demand honest reasoning apart from irrational gun fears:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=83423

Ah well....I'll just keep my opinions concerning those who irrationally avoid calling out closet Hoplophobes... :tongue3: :laugh:

I agree. While it may not be a recognized phobia - so what? Many others weren't for decades. That's not to say all anti-gunners are "afraid" of guns but many are. Seriously. I watched a video of a reporter in WV from a few months ago debating guns with a guy that was an outspoken supporter of the 2nd Amendment. The guy in passing mentioned that he was armed with a concealed 9mm at the moment and the reporter almost soiled himself! He actually said "You're really armed? Right now? That scares me!"

crazy...

 

[MB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MB View Post
This country exist because of Revolution. We have the right to bear arms just in case our leaders do not hold to the constitution. If we allow change to come to the constitution we are allowing rebellion against our country and values. It is our responsibility to protect our country and our ideals. This could not be called a rebellion. It is merely protecting our country from our enemies.
MB

But then would allowing amendments be considered allowing rebellion against the constitution and values? You have to remember that as many people oppose BO or any other president there are still many that support him so what about there values?

Congress is not suppose to make any laws or amendments that conflict with the original document. There by changing the constitution. They get away with it only because the majority allows it.
MB