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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Dec 31, 2022.

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    Van said "If God instilled via Irresistible Grace, the "Gift of Faith" He would have to choose who to instill that faith in.

    EXACTLY
     
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    Yet another post claiming the OT saints were made alive, regenerated before Christ died. Utter nonsense.Ask yourselves why did the OT saints go to Abraham's bosom, and not directly to the kingdom of God. Why did they have to wait to be made perfect?

    Did anyone say the lost save themselves? Nope, so more obfuscation, more strawman argumentation, more nonsense.

    And do not overlook the denial of the truths of Acts 13:48, and John 6:28-29.
     
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    Note this post edits my view to alter it. So much for engaging in a truthful discussion.
     
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    How can a righteous or rightly directed faith come out of one who is unrighteous and without the right direction of the Holy Spirit?

    Matthew 7:18 tells us "A good tree cannot bring forth evil (by unrighteous or misdirected faith) fruit, neither can a corrupt tree (possessing unrighteous or misdirected faith) bring forth good (directed by the Holy Spirit) fruit (by Rightly directed faith)
     
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    Does not the sentence contain the point of what you obviously said. Had I quoted your whole post , it would not have made any difference.
     
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    You must have not read my post #120
     
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    Yes, two sentences rather than one would have made your post obvious wrong.
     
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    More addressing me and not Righteous faith or faith credited as righteousness.
     
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    Once again the claim our filthy rag faith was found to be righteous, the opposite of the biblical truth that God takes our worthless faith and credits it as righteousness.

    Note folks, I do not engage in a discussion of the biblical view, but rather must address the constant misrepresentation of the biblical view.

    God credits the faith of some as righteous faith and those so credited are transferred spiritually into Christ. So simple a child could understand it. Romans 4:23-25, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Colossians 1:13
     
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    NOWHERE did I say or even insinuate as you said "filthy rag faith was found to be righteous". My point is that we are made alive in Christ and that our faith in Christ will be rightly directed by the Holy Spirit and "that not of ourselves, it is a gift of God".

    Worthless faith is not a profitable faith and therefore cannot be fruitful in its human direction.

    Read my posts more slowly. They may just (possibly) make some sense to you.
     
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    A valid point made by myself in that you either did not see or avoided responding to post #120
     
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    If God credits worthless faith as righreous faith, it becomes useful to God.
    Faith is not the antecedent of "that" not of ourselves. The "that" refers to "salvation" as not being of ourselves.

    Here is the statement that insinuates our faith was found righteous, "How can a righteous or rightly directed faith come out of one who is unrighteous and without the right direction of the Holy Spirit?" In order for a faith to "come out of one" it must have been found righreous beforehand. Obviously a misrepresentation of what I said.
     
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    Note the continued attack on my behavior because of the inability to address the topic.
     
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    Just waiting for you to accuse me of hate speech. You are not going to try to use the victim card on me are you?
     
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    The saints of old were all chosen by God and given faith to believe. God has always done this from Adam onward.

    God did not choose them because of their faith. God chose them before the foundation of the world and gave them faith to believe.
     
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    I already quoted the passage to you and showed everyone that your interpretation of faith before salvation is incorrect.
     
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