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Rights of a Business or Employer- slippery slope?

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JonC

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Do you have a source for your statement that vaccination information is not covered under HIPPA laws?

peace to you
HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities (healthcare providers, health plans, and healthcare clearinghouses). Vaccination status is PII but not protected under HIPAA outside of HIPPA covered entities for HIPAA covered purposes.
 

Two Wings

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@JonC

Do you believe the VAERS data is true ... that which is posted. Not that it's the full story because VAERS itself says it is NOT the full accounting, just that those listed are plus/minus a standard deviation ... true reports?
 

JonC

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no ... as I just explained ... they have the authority to mandate certain requirements, but that doesn't give 'em the right. There's a difference in authority and rights. I can't require that all my employees be able to walk to perform a desk job ... that violates the ADA law.

Then there are the employees by contract. Are you advocating breaking a contract because there's a popular, if unwise, movement to cv jab everyone? What does a contract mean, then?

Acts of God exclusions ... will you suggest the CV is an act of God? God caused all of this?
It does give them the right. And if you have a an opening for a desk position but require the ability to walk that is within your right as long as it is legal.

Some may have signed a legal contract for employment. If the contract specifies the emoyee does not have to meet future employment criteria then the emoyee would be within his rights to sue for breach of contract.
 

JonC

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@JonC

Do you believe the VAERS data is true ... that which is posted. Not that it's the full story because VAERS itself says it is NOT the full accounting, just that those listed are plus/minus a standard deviation ... true reports?
VAERS is just a database. It is neither true or false. It is as good as the data entered.
 

Two Wings

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as long as it is legal.
exactly.

it's discriminatory to make such requirements. Not only that, I have to make allowance for a disabled person to access my store. What if I don't want to spend the money for ramps and auto opening doors ... and the maintenance therein? You're gonna support a law which strips my rights as a business owner to run my business as I see fit.

Rather than let the market decide if my exclusion to a portion of the community can even access my property/building, we're gonna support a law which forces me to comply, increasing my cost and overall just stripping me of my rights as a private business owner.

Roger copy.


VAERS is just a database.

that's been used as a reference for the decision to remove medicines in the past, but for some reason this data base is barely recognized, let alone heeded.
 

JonC

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exactly.

it's discriminatory to make such requirements. Not only that, I have to make allowance for a disabled person to access my store. What if I don't want to spend the money for ramps and auto opening doors ... and the maintenance therein? You're gonna support a law which strips my rights as a business owner to run my business as I see fit.

Rather than let the market decide if my exclusion to a portion of the community can even access my property/building, we're gonna support a law which forces me to comply, increasing my cost and overall just stripping me of my rights as a private business owner.

Roger copy.




that's been used as a reference for the decision to remove medicines in the past, but for some reason this data base is barely recognized, let alone heeded.
It is discriminatory. Employers discriminate every time they hire one person over another. They discriminate in regards to education, ability, skill sets, aptitude, etc. BUT it is not illegal discrimination.

No. VARES has not been used as a reference to remove medicines in the past. The data was used and trends were studied to find out if the effect was actually connected to a medicine.
 

Two Wings

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No. VARES has not been used as a reference to remove medicines in the past.

That's not what Dr Peter McCullough has testified to Congress (Senate? I forget now) ... and he's been on the oversight board making such decisions.
 

JonC

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That's not what Dr Peter McCullough has testified to Congress (Senate? I forget now) ... and he's been on the oversight board making such decisions.
I have seen doctors and lawyers say a lot of things in testimony before Congress. All I can say is per VARES they are not the criteria and do not determine a cause for the reported side effects. If there is a trend medications are often suspended pending investigation. But the CDC and FDA make that determination.

Thus far there has not been such a trend. The adverse effects in VARES are 0.00021 of the given vaccines.
 

Two Wings

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The adverse effects in VARES are 0.00021 of the given vaccines.
and admittedly 5%? (less than 10% anyway) of the actual number of adverse effects. That's VAERS number. IDK how they determine that ... perhaps the same accountant which lists the number of illegal aliens getting into the nation every month ... if we know they're illegal, STOP 'EM!

I recognize Dr. McCullough's addresses on the cv jab is in conflict with your thoughts on it ... but you're gonna dismiss his advice? What about the german fellow who's name I can never pronouce ... van something or other ... he is one of the most staunchest supporters of vaccinations out there, but he said "you don't jab DURING the outbreak" using the familiar flu shot distribution (now and the last several weeks) ... for the low Vit D season which is upon us. taking the flu shot in the middle of the low Vit D is counterproductive.
 

JonC

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and admittedly 5%? (less than 10% anyway) of the actual number of adverse effects. That's VAERS number. IDK how they determine that ... perhaps the same accountant which lists the number of illegal aliens getting into the nation every month ... if we know they're illegal, STOP 'EM!

I recognize Dr. McCullough's addresses on the cv jab is in conflict with your thoughts on it ... but you're gonna dismiss his advice? What about the german fellow who's name I can never pronouce ... van something or other ... he is one of the most staunchest supporters of vaccinations out there, but he said "you don't jab DURING the outbreak" using the familiar flu shot distribution (now and the last several weeks) ... for the low Vit D season which is upon us. taking the flu shot in the middle of the low Vit D is counterproductive.
I don't worry about what is contrary to my thoughts. I personally do not care how the CDC and FDA determines a medication needs to be recalled. Historically vaccines have been given during outbreaks. If you are in fourth, consider smallpox.

And my vitamin D is great.
 

JonC

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if you don't live south of 33 degrees North, it's gonna start deteriorating this month without supplement. And the reference was for all of society, not yours specifically.
Dude....I'm in my 50's. Supplements are my candy and metamucil my milk shakes. :(
 

Two Wings

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Which freedom trumps the other?

Jon seems to be dismissing an earlier post by you or perhaps another ...

the individual's right to bodily autonomy is superior ... it's the basis of our foundation of freedom and liberty.

But ... that's "stripping away" rights of a business. like the right to vote? Are businesses voting? How about the right to keep and bear arms ... are businesses doing that? Free speech? Assembly? businesses are assembling ... or being restricted by policy from assembly? or is it logistics? ///sarc
 

Two Wings

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Dude....I'm in my 50's. Supplements are my candy and metamucil my milk shakes. :(

ughh ... marvelous. But you aren't the rest of society, Jon. My reference to what they call 'flu season' is really "low vit D season."

If you're a D machine, bravo. Most ... in fact the VAST majority are not. I punched the big 50 recently and have been trying to take a vitamin supplement. but that's irrelevant too.

flu shots are being given in advance of the society's susceptibility to flu ... not after everyone starts contracting it. That's the point the Dr. was making ... and it is applicable here. It's literally caused an increase in the variants ... according to him, not me.
 

JonC

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ughh ... marvelous. But you aren't the rest of society, Jon. My reference to what they call 'flu season' is really "low vit D season."

If you're a D machine, bravo. Most ... in fact the VAST majority are not. I punched the big 50 recently and have been trying to take a vitamin supplement. but that's irrelevant too.

flu shots are being given in advance of the society's susceptibility to flu ... not after everyone starts contracting it. That's the point the Dr. was making ... and it is applicable here. It's literally caused an increase in the variants ... according to him, not me.
I'm also at 33.166. So barely north but still a lot of sun.

I believe too many are vitamin deficient. Often this is adds to the risks of viruses. The immune system is already compromised. We live in a culture dependent on medications to cure symptoms of unhealthy lifestyles.
 

Two Wings

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I'm also at 33.166. So barely north but still a lot of sun.

i watched a talk of an Idaho doctor addressing this. he was encouraging all to get their vitamins ready (it was back int he summer when the talk was given). Was the first guy I saw address "flu season" as "Low Vit D season" which contributed to the "why didn't covid burn up last summer?" cause we were still spending too much time inside and isolated.
 

JonC

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i watched a talk of an Idaho doctor addressing this. he was encouraging all to get their vitamins ready (it was back int he summer when the talk was given). Was the first guy I saw address "flu season" as "Low Vit D season" which contributed to the "why didn't covid burn up last summer?" cause we were still spending too much time inside and isolated.
It is ironic I guess, but the most time I spent outdoors was during the "lockdown". Spent weekends at the beach, in the mountains, at parks. I worked from home that year but moved my computer to the patio.
 

Two Wings

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It is ironic I guess, but the most time I spent outdoors was during the "lockdown". Spent weekends at the beach, in the mountains, at parks. I worked from home that year but moved my computer to the patio.

oh I've said several times "we need another lockdown" ... of course, that just benefitted ME for my travel as an "essential worker"

I never did pay any attention to the lockdowns when I was home. Now on the road in Kaly? ughh. they were N ... stringent enforcers. So is NY. I haven't done an overnight in LA since they "came out" with their covidiocy, just "turns."
 
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