Rights of a Business or Employer- slippery slope?

[Silverhair]

There should be. Or the employer should have to pay workman's comp.

You stand by the right of some worker to sue but you do not think the employer has the right to say what are safe working conditions for the rest of the employees. Can we say double standard.

 

[Two Wings]

And I can see the situation where the rights of one person do not outweigh the rights of the many. You are saying that the individual should have the right to do as they please. But if the employer has other people to worry about are we supposed to just say they have no right to a safe workplace?

for purposes of this disease ... how can the workplace be unsafe if you are "fully vaccinated" against CV19?

If you are the ONLY one with the cv jab, how can the workplace be unsafe for you?

The only way the statement of workplace "safety" (again, misuse of the term, but for argument's sake, OK) ... is that YOUR decision to take the CV VAX must also be imposed upon one who rejects it. Because of workplace "safety?" SMH.

The illustration was attempted by one of the govt noggins the other day and said it was like OSHA's requirement to wear a hard hat.

LOL ... the threat is FROM the job place and it protects the one wearing the helmet only. That has NO bearing on a respiratory virus from anywhere the virus can survive. Not gonna have a hammer fall on your noggin while sitting in the office.

... and ... the hard hat ... is removable. obviously this cv vax is NOT.

 

[Reformed1689]

You stand by the right of some worker to sue but you do not think the employer has the right to say what are safe working conditions for the rest of the employees. Can we say double standard.

You can have a safe working environment without a vaccine requirement. We have been doing it for over a year now.

 

[Silverhair]

for purposes of this disease ... how can the workplace be unsafe if you are "fully vaccinated" against CV19?

If you are the ONLY one with the cv jab, how can the workplace be unsafe for you?

The only way the statement of workplace "safety" (again, misuse of the term, but for argument's sake, OK) ... is that YOUR decision to take the CV VAX must also be imposed upon one who rejects it. Because of workplace "safety?" SMH.

The illustration was attempted by one of the govt noggins the other day and said it was like OSHA's requirement to wear a hard hat.

LOL ... the threat is FROM the job place and it protects the one wearing the helmet only. That has NO bearing on a respiratory virus from anywhere the virus can survive. Not gonna have a hammer fall on your noggin while sitting in the office.

... and ... the hard hat ... is removable. obviously this cv vax is NOT.

I think you are just ignoring the facts. The jab works to 90% + effectiveness. It is not a cure. But with that said even if someone with the vax gets sick they will have less problems overall than those without.

But like I have said before if you do not want the vax then do not get it. If your job requires it then you can stand on your principles and leave the job or take the jab. Some on here have gone so far over the top as to say that those that do get the vax would then follow and get the mark. That is just plain dumb. As Christians we would not be here to take the mark would we.

Each person has to decide what they will do so exercise that right and decide what you will do. And that mean that the employer has the right to decide how they will run their company. You may not like it but that is how business works.

 

[Silverhair]

You can have a safe working environment without a vaccine requirement. We have been doing it for over a year now.

Glad to hear it. But that is not the question is it. If a business says this is the workplace policy then that is what it is. If you want to work there then you have to go along with it or find a different job. That is free will in action.

 

[Reformed1689]

Glad to hear it. But that is not the question is it. If a business says this is the workplace policy then that is what it is. If you want to work there then you have to go along with it or find a different job. That is free will in action.

That's what I'm saying, the right of a business does not trump health rights.

 

[JonC]

where did I indicate anything about political parties? it's bigger than that ... and it's bigger than the Freemasons.

I do not believe it is bigger than political parties. I belueve conspiracy theories have become popular.

 

[Two Wings]

I think you are just ignoring the facts.

I think you are making-up your own facts to fit what you want to have happen.

If you're position is that the cv jab makes the workplace safe, then get the jab and carry on.

But like I have said before if you do not want the vax then do not get it.

thanks for your permission. I will abstain until I am told otherwise by The Master.

As Christians we would not be here to take the mark would we.

Unless you are called home personally ... you'll be "here." The Church gets raptured post trib/pre wrath of The Lamb.

see the parable of the wheat/tares ... Jesus answer to the question "where'd they go?" after the one taken/one left series (Luke 19) ... it's clearly not the 1 Thess 4:16-17 event. Matt 24:29-31 ... "after the tribulation of those days ...."

I think Satan induced a deception at the perfect time to deceive the most. Long enough to have become "tradition" but not quite ancient so as to warrant a "second look."

And that mean that the employer has the right to decide how they will run their company.

for a sole-proprietorship, I have no issue with that. When it's a company owned by others ... with a governing Board of Directors/shareholders/etc ... not really.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Glad to hear it. But that is not the question is it. If a business says this is the workplace policy then that is what it is. If you want to work there then you have to go along with it or find a different job. That is free will in action.

That’s ignorance in action and it will catch up to the employer who needs to retain valuable people in the workforce. There is a hospital system in my community who has lost so many that they are now running a skeleton staff and it is causing chaotic rifts in there ability to service the clients… can you say severely understaffed. But you see advertisements on TV as to there level of professionalism which is in reality a a pathetic joke. What a way to spend the taxpayers PPE money.

 

[Two Wings]

I do not believe it is bigger than political parties. I belueve conspiracy theories have become popular.

with all due respect, then you're not paying attention.

the world has fallen after itself to be the most covid woke save for a couple exceptions and it's only a matter of time for them, too. that's far beyond RNC/DNC.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And I can see the situation where the rights of one person do not outweigh the rights of the many. You are saying that the individual should have the right to do as they please. But if the employer has other people to worry about are we supposed to just say they have no right to a safe workplace?

Let the lawsuits begin then

 

[JonC]

with all due respect, then you're not paying attention.

the world has fallen after itself to be the most covid woke save for a couple exceptions and it's only a matter of time for them, too. that's far beyond RNC/DNC.

You are missing my point. What the world has and has not done is not relevant to tge virus or vaccine.

I keep thinking of a member on this forum who said he was planning on being vaccinated until Biden became President.

That is the world. The problem is the rulers, the authorities, the powers of this dark world and the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

[Silverhair]

That's what I'm saying, the right of a business does not trump health rights.

Never said they did, so if you are worried that having the vax is a health and the company says it is a requirement to work there then you have the right to leave that job and work someplace else. Where is the infringing on your rights.

 

[Silverhair]

with all due respect, then you're not paying attention.

the world has fallen after itself to be the most covid woke save for a couple exceptions and it's only a matter of time for them, too. that's far beyond RNC/DNC.

You must not be reading the news, the covid is a major problem but you will say it is just a hoax so live as you want but since e are not forcing you to be vaxed what is your problem?

 

[Two Wings]

What the world has and has not done is not relevant to tge virus or vaccine.

no sir ... I am speaking directly to this.

the world IS responding to the narrative of the virus. I see it every time I go to work. In a way, it's worse than the adjustment of procedures after 9/11 ... that got established clearly and while certain actions took a few years to manifest, there was a single track to make 'em happen ... for better or for worse.

This thing has an entire section in our tablets dedicated to the various places we go and they change all the time. The world is responding to the virus and the vax. it is time.

 

[JonC]

no sir ... I am speaking directly to this.

the world IS responding to the narrative of the virus. I see it every time I go to work. In a way, it's worse than the adjustment of procedures after 9/11 ... that got established clearly and while certain actions took a few years to manifest, there was a single track to make 'em happen ... for better or for worse.

This thing has an entire section in our tablets dedicated to the various places we go and they change all the time. The world is responding to the virus and the vax. it is time.

Well yea. There is a virus and we have a vaccination. Most have been vaccinated and have moved on to other things.

In fact the only time I think about the virus or vaccine is when I'm on the BB.

The virus-vaccine is a very minor issue in the lives of the vaccinated. Wear a mask at work. No biggie.

 

[Two Wings]

You must not be reading the news, the covid is a major problem but you will say it is just a hoax so live as you want but since e are not forcing you to be vaxed what is your problem?

ah more keyboard presumption in what I'll say.

I didn't ever claim this was a hoax. In fact, I've said the opposite. I've declared the virus's creation was of a man-made process and the CCP intended to use it in May '20. That's not a hoax. Our military intelligence folks know this. One told me (though he made it clear he couldn't tell me HOW he knew, which I understand and recall from my time holding those clearances)

The threat of the virus has been amplified greatly in as much as it is applied to healthy less than 65 year old people. I didn't say NO threat, I said what I said. Read it again. To amplify, the base value must be greater than "zero" ... or amplifying "zero" results in ... zero.

 

[Two Wings]

Well yea. There is a virus and we have a vaccination. Most have been vaccinated and have moved on to other things.

In fact the only time I think about the virus or vaccine is when I'm on the BB.

The virus-vaccine is a very minor issue in the lives of the vaccinated. Wear a mask at work. No biggie.

clearly you're not traveling much.

it's become quite complicated. It's getting worse.

 

[JonC]

clearly you're not traveling much.

it's become quite complicated. It's getting worse.

Lately just within the US. No plans on traveling overseas anytime soon.

 

[Two Wings]

Lately just within the US.

that's beginning to get complicated too ... NY and LA specifically. But yes, world wide it's been stupid crazy. Crews being sequestered ... even incarcerated to keep 'em in country for 14 days. Crews being suddenly subjected to the tests despite being jabbed ... or tested prior to arrival ... when there'd been exemptions for crews ... due to the nature of the assignment/work schedule.