Romans 11:17

LeBuick · Nov 1, 2007

Brother Bob said:

Love you too Npet; enjoy our debates.
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webdog said:

That's the first time I've seen those two statments together in one sentence :laugh:
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I agree, love and Npet in the same sentence. Now I've seen it all...

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npetreley · Nov 1, 2007

LeBuick said:

I agree, love and Npet in the same sentence. Now I've seen it all...

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Yup - those two don't go together. That's the story of my life.

reformedbeliever · Nov 2, 2007

npetreley said:

Yup - those two don't go together. That's the story of my life.
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Awwwww........ I love you too npet....see, they do go together.

Amy.G · Nov 2, 2007

I love you to NP! :1_grouphug:

Anyone who uses the phrase "weird wiggy mojo" is OK in my book! :laugh:

Isaiah40:28 · Nov 2, 2007

Brother Bob said:

Rom 11:7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

If the Election were saved, who are the rest that were blinded????
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It's been awhile since I did any kind of indepth study of Romans 9-11. So I may not be able to discuss this in much detail.
But I thought I would offer a post as well.
To answer your OP first, the "rest who were blinded" seem to be those who were not part of the "remnant chosen by grace"(vs. 5, NIV, sorry if you don't prefer that translation, I usually think better in the NIV).

Brother Bob said:

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Well, if they were non-elect, then they don't have a chance of being saved, do they?

Wonder why Apostle Paul thought they could be saved??

Romans 11:
8: (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9: And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12: Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?
13: For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

BBob,
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But then the temporary hardening is described in vs. 11-12 of those who were blinded or hardened.
But what Paul seems to understand in verse 14 is that, it is only temporary for some of the hardened ones. Some of them need his ministry, because God intends to save some. Others will remain in their hardened state due to their unbelief.
IOW, there is an elect group that Paul wants to reach within those who were part of the temporary hardening and it is those whose "acceptance" in verse 15 will mean perhaps even greater blessing for the world, than their initial rejection.

Brother Bob · Nov 2, 2007

Double post................

Brother Bob · Nov 2, 2007

Isaiah40:28

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Rom 11:7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

If the Election were saved, who are the rest that were blinded????

It's been awhile since I did any kind of indepth study of Romans 9-11. So I may not be able to discuss this in much detail.
But I thought I would offer a post as well.
To answer your OP first, the "rest who were blinded" seem to be those who were not part of the "remnant chosen by grace"(vs. 5, NIV, sorry if you don't prefer that translation, I usually think better in the NIV).
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Originally Posted by Brother Bob
and
Well, if they were non-elect, then they don't have a chance of being saved, do they?

Wonder why Apostle Paul thought they could be saved??

Romans 11:
8: (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9: And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12: Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?
13: For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

BBob,

But then the temporary hardening is described in vs. 11-12 of those who were blinded or hardened.
But what Paul seems to understand in verse 14 is that, it is only temporary for some of the hardened ones. Some of them need his ministry, because God intends to save some. Others will remain in their hardened state due to their unbelief.
IOW, there is an elect group that Paul wants to reach within those who were part of the temporary hardening and it is those whose "acceptance" in verse 15 will mean perhaps even greater blessing for the world, than their initial rejection.
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If I completely understand you, then I agree. The actual point I was trying to make was that Paul thought he might save some of them that were blinded, and Paul also said earlier that they could not be saved until the "fulness of the Gentiles", so it seems to me that Paul believed that temporary time had ended and the fulness of the Gentiles had come for him to believe he might save some.

BBob,

Isaiah40:28 · Nov 2, 2007

Brother Bob said:

If I completely understand you, then I agree. The actual point I was trying to make was that Paul thought he might save some of them that were blinded, and Paul also said earlier that they could not be saved until the "fulness of the Gentiles", so it seems to me that Paul believed that temporary time had ended and the fulness of the Gentiles had come for him to believe he might save some.

BBob,
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I assume you're referring to vs. 25.
I'm not sure what to make of that verse.

Brother Bob · Nov 2, 2007

I assume you're referring to vs. 25.
I'm not sure what to make of that verse.
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Romans 11;
14: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

BBob,

Also Ver 25:

Brother Bob · Nov 4, 2007

Fulness of the Gentiles

Act 10:14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Act 10:15And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.

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