Romans 3:10-18 - All people or just some?

[Calvibaptist]

Originally posted by Andy T.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Helen:
[qb] John 15:17 is a personal reminder to the disciples of what Jesus had stated publicly to all people before (Matthew 22:34-40, etc.). It is not a matter of throwing out or arbitrarily deciding anything, but of looking at the context.

But you've still haven't shown me why we can dismiss v. 16. Out of this entire discourse with the disciples, why are we supposed to dismiss this one sentence? </font>[/QUOTE]And I would say that John 15:16 is also a personal reminder to the disciples of what Jesus and the Bible had stated publicly to all people before. The Bible is full of verses that describe God choosing particular people (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Pharaoh, Moses, Jews, Prophets, David, Mary, Elizabeth, the Apostles, the elect) for a particular purpose, sometimes judgement, sometimes for a historical purpose, sometimes salvation.

The selection is always because God decides to favor someone with His grace, and not because of anything in that person. These physical examples are all meant to point us to the spiritual reality. (DID YOU READ THAT LAST SENTENCE ME4HIM?? You should understand it.)

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by Helen:
Me4Him, mockery is not part of the Christian character.

Apparently you haven't read much of the Bible.

"I hope they go the whole way and cut themselves off."

"I'm here because of the resurrection." (A brilliant way to turn the hearing into a mockery by starting a "let's you and him fight" battle between the Pharisees and Sadducees.)

"One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true.

...and so on...

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
Mt 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

He could have gave away all he owned, and still die in sin, without answering that "CALL".

Jesus was demonstrating that he would NOT give away all and follow Him. This was a self-centered person who actually thought he followed all the commandments from his youth and was righteous of his own doing. Jesus exposed his character by asking him to do something he'd never do.

 

[Andy T.]

Notice the results of the poll. That is about what I expected. I'm a little disappointed that only 16 have voted. I suspect that many non-Calvinists abstained from voting because they know the right answer and its implications...