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Romans 5:1

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Alan Gross

Alan Gross

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Van said:
You can present Calvinism"s false doctrines till the cows come home. They are false and no supported in scripture.
Any empty suit and post "taint so" but personal incredulity is fallacious argumentation.
The bible says Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, including those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1, 1 Timothy 2:6.
The bible says we are chosen for salvation conditionally, through faith in the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13
The bible says Paul spoke using spiritual milk as to men of flesh, thus the lost can understand and respond to the fundamentals of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.
The bible refers to his faith, or your faith, but never your [God instilled] faith. Thus Calvinism is completely bogus.
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The scriptures you quoted have all been unsoundly added to and adulterated.

That is 'real' bogus.
 
Alan Gross

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Silverhair said:
God has given man a will, which by nature is free, i.e., it is not forced or necessarily inclined toward good or evil.
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This is the definition of, "unsound doctrine".

"Death passed upon all men".

Would you God that He could Grant you Repentance of this anti-Biblical error, Silverhair.

It is the difference between understanding anything God Says about Salvation, or not

And whether being brought under discipline, by a sound Baptist church, for False Doctrine.

All human beings are inclined only to evil and come forth from the womb speaking lies.
 
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Alan Gross

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Silverhair said:
Blow and bluster all you want Austin. You do not like the scripture that I post so you disagree or just change the meaning of the words to suit your calvinism. So as I said you fighting with the bible not me. And as for calvinism that is your fiction not mine.
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Is being, 'a Calvanist', mean that Austin is a 'real Christian'?
 
Alan Gross

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Silverhair said:
Sigh, you come up with the same response whenever you do not want to deal with scripture. These are not prooftexts they are scripture but you must not know that. Your responses just show how little you do read or understand.

I do agree we are at an impasse, I post scripture and you ignore it. You want people to accept your calvinist view but most on here reject it as does most of Christianity. Funny, you say I want to be over God when it is the calvinist that misreads scripture, changes the meaning of words in the text and hold to contradictory ideas in your confessions. Need I go no pointing out the errors in your theology.

Think through your theology to the logical end if you are able. You will see that it does not fit with scripture. I do wish you the best Austin, and may God open your eyes to the truth.
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What is the logical end of Austin's theology? The Glory of God?
 
Alan Gross

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Van said:
Act 3:16
“And on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

Phl 3:9
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Based on Romans 4:23-25 and Romans 5:1, we see God's gracious and benevolent actions are taken on the basis of our faith being credited.
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Eternally dead wrong.
 
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Alan Gross said:
Take back away the wording you have added, so The Holy Spirit can USE them, as He Wrote them.
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Note the total lack of content, just taint so and Van is rotten for saying so. This is all they have folks, off topic falsehoods posted with impunity.
 
Alan Gross

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Van said:
Note the total lack of content, just taint so and Van is rotten for saying so. This is all they have folks, off topic falsehoods posted with impunity.
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Who are asking to, "note"?

Not Jesus Christ at His Judgement Seat, I hope.
 
Silverhair

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Alan Gross said:
This is the definition of, "unsound doctrine".

"Death passed upon all men".

Would you God that He could Grant you Repentance of this anti-Biblical error, Silverhair.

It is the difference between understanding anything God Says about Salvation, or not

And whether being brought under discipline, by a sound Baptist church, for False Doctrine.

All human beings are inclined only to evil and come forth from the womb speaking lies.
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There is your calvinism on display. You warp scripture then ask why others do not believe you.
 
Alan Gross

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Silverhair said:
Anything but the Glory of God. The logical end is the opposite of what you claim it to be.
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PHILIPPIANS 2
9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

The day of "boasting" will be over.
 
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AustinC

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Alan Gross said:
This is the definition of, "unsound doctrine".

"Death passed upon all men".

Would you God that He could Grant you Repentance of this anti-Biblical error, Silverhair.

It is the difference between understanding anything God Says about Salvation, or not

And whether being brought under discipline, by a sound Baptist church, for False Doctrine.

All human beings are inclined only to evil and come forth from the womb speaking lies.
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Silverhair lifts up humans as supreme in that humans save themselves by their will power to cause God to act. God does the bidding of the human will and thus becomes the human's personal genie.

Silverhair imagines his doctrine of humanism is supported in the Bible. Silverhair is wrong.

Moreso, Silverhair stumbles over his humanism to the point that he considers God would be an evil tyrant for choosing to break in to the compound, in which humans are enslaved by sin, and freeing those whom God chooses to have mercy upon. For God to have mercy on whom He wills and harden whom He wills is unthinkable evil in Silverhair's mind. Romans 9 is a chapter that Silverhair would like to remove from the Bible along with other passages that he cannot stand. Instead, when large sections of scripture are shared with him, he brushes them off and then claims that I don't know what the Bible says. Such a comment is the equivalent of a Pharisee in the Sanhedrin telling Peter or John that they don't know what the Bible says.

It is clear that Silverhair wants God to be subordinate to man. No matter how much scripture is shared with him, he has so far denied the Supremacy of God and instead has lifted up the supremacy of man. As with all of us, he will answer to God for his teaching.
 
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AustinC said:
What delusion would that be? Do you have scripture to back up your assertion?
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I have posted them dozens of times and you have yet to even admit that I have posted support. Please do not waste my time by your pretense of stupidity.
 
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Romans 5:1 NASB
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

The phrase for study in this verse is "justified by faith." Now the Greek word translated "justified" is also translated by some versions as "declared righteous." And the word certainly has both meanings within its semantic range. However if God is causing the righteousness, the word should be translated as made righteous or justified, rather than "declared righteous." A perusal of the places where "declared righteous" is intended are the verses where individuals declare themselves righteous. See Luke 7:29, 10:29 and 16:15.

The "by" in our phrase translates the Greek preposition "ek" which means (positionally) out of, and metaphorically based upon. Thus we are justified based on faith. Now is that any faith or only faith in Christ as credited by God? As credited by God. See Romans 4:23-25.
 
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