Having begun, what? In what?Originally posted by Brother Bill:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by npetreley:
By the way, as a follow-up to Galations 3, note also what it says next...
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
Arminians believe the beginning of salvation is the "free will" choice of faith. So why didn't Paul say, "Having begun with your faith, are you now being made perfect by works?"
In fact, this would have been the perfect opportunity, if Paul meant by Galatians 3:2 what some interpret it to mean, that is, "Did you receive the spirit by works of the law, or by choosing to have faith?" But it doesn't say that. It says, "or by the hearing OF faith." And it doesn't say "Having begun in faith" it says, says "Having begun in the Spirit." </font>[/QUOTE]Nick, don't do that to the text! You left out the very next verse!
"Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?"
HELLO! We received the Spirit because we believe what we heard!
Then look on down in verse 14:
"..so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit."
Your hermeneutics needs some work. </font>[/QUOTE]Your reading comprehension needs some work. I suggest hooked on phonics. Then after that maybe you can graduate from the NIV to look at the actual Greek text and see what it really says. It is "by the hearing of faith", not "believe what you heard".
Verse 14 is fine - you get faith by hearing, and hearing by the utterance of God, so your point is ridiculous.
Perhaps if you work at it hard enough you can receive some understanding by the reading of text.2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?