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excuse me sir. please share where I ignored the text directly.I do, and I understand the rest of Romans as well.
Charlie, let's agree not to accuse one another of manipulating Scripture, OK?
I see what I see because that is how I read and understand it for myself.
Respectfully, all I was asking for was a repetition of what I did for you.
Nothing more, and nothing less.
Are you willing to do what I did?
If so, then I look forward to seeing how yours and mine differs in the details.
So far what I've seen in this thread are a few other posts from people that essentially give summaries;
While, for the most part, they avoid the text directly.
They also have avoided ( perhaps unintentionally ) doing exactly what I did...
Which I confess puzzles me a bit.
On a side note,
This isn't me trying to humiliate you... it's me wanting to see how you understand each line of the passage for yourself and comparing it to mine, in each and every detail.
excuse me sir. please share where I ignored the text directly.
and how did I avoid what you did?
I posted the text and gave a summation.
I also quoted the OT text that Paul quoted to put it in context.
I will await your reply.. but will say I am saddened and offended at this comment
there is a major issue with this summation.13) Now comes the part it seems many don't like the sound of... The Lord tells us that He specifically loved Jacob and hated Esau ( see Malachi 1:2-3 ).
14) With this in mind, what shall we, as believers, then say? Is God unrighteous to love Jacob and to hate Esau? No.
15) The statement is made from the Lord ( see Exodus 33:19 ), " I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion".
16) So then His mercy and compassion is not of "him who wills" ( our own individual will ), neither is it of "him who runs" ( the person who makes an effort ), but it is entirely of God who shows His mercy.
it was, But the below comments were directed at me, If he did not mean me, he is free to show us who he meant.EG, I think that post from Dave G was for me.
So far what I've seen in this thread are a few other posts from people that essentially give summaries;
While, for the most part, they avoid the text directly.
They also have avoided ( perhaps unintentionally ) doing exactly what I did...
Which I confess puzzles me a bit.
it was, But the below comments were directed at me, If he did not mean me, he is free to show us who he meant.
Lol, thoses verses doestn say that !I believe you had better rethink that, BF.
1 Peter 1:1-2
"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."
its all good. Like I said if I have to I can open another thread.Oh, ok, I didn't see that one.
That one could have also been directed to me, I'm not sure.
Dave G was pestering me to give an outline on Rom. 9 and I was reluctant.
I have this condition in my life now, most folks call it laziness.
But I gave in and started it last night, will finish it today sometime when my condition allows.
Lol, thoses verses doestn say that !
Right what was you thinking ? Furthermore God sees all men in Adam as dead in sin !Of course they don't, BF.
What was I thinking?
Right what was you thinking ? Furthermore God sees all men in Adam as dead in sin !
He did write "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father"I thought Peter said, "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father." 1 Peter 1:2
But you said it doesn't say that, so I must be wrong.