Romney's Speech

[saturneptune]

The only elections I recall as not having debates was 1964, 1968, and 1972. I think the last two can be attributed to Nixon's experience in 1960 with Kennedy. I do not know why 1964 was skipped. Looking back, Carter would have been much better off cancelling the 1980 debates.

 

[SolaSaint]

Solo, no problem at all. As I have said in a number of posts, I am not a one issue voter. I am not in favor of abortion. I also know that there is very little a president can do concerning abortion as the Supreme Court has ruled over and over on this. Abortion is a convenient topic for politicians to hide behind while not talking about other important issues.

So, facing the fact that a president and congress can do little concerning abortion I have to look at the other issues. At the moment I am not happy with either candidate. But when I look at what is being said I have concluded that the GOP, i.e. Romney and Ryan do not have the interest of the middle class and poor at heart. They seem to have bought into the idea that the poor are poor through their own fault and should not be helped. Also, the GOP seems to be at war against just about everyone except the rich. Their concern seems to be the redistribution of wealth from the middle class and poor to the rich. I am concerned they will do great harm to the majority of Americans while enriching the rich.

If Romney would spell out specifics of what he plans to do I might changes my mind or I might not.

Thus all-in-all, though I am not happy with either candidate I have to go with the one I am least unhappy with. I hope this explains a bit of my thinking for you. Please ask any other questions you have. Honest questions are just that honest questions and should not upset anyone.Too often on this BB there are insults and name calling with no substance ... just emotional knee-jerk reactions. Solo, thank your for not being one of those people.

Thanks for the reply, but I have to say Obama has done more than any other president to keep the abortion mills employed. Maybe no laws have been changed but Planned Parenthood and the like are flourishing under Obama and Katherine Sabelias (sp). Remember Obama said " If my daughter gets pregnant as a teenager I don't want them to have to pay for that mistake." WOW, I cannot vote for anyone with that mindset. Also you didn't mention the other social issue of gay marriage. Obama once again has done more to promote homosexual issues than any other candidate ever. As a Christain how can you agree with his stance on this issue. The DNC is going to lift high the gay banner at their convention this week, not sure why any Christian would be OK with that. IMO

Not sure I agree with Romney and Ryan not wanting to help the poor. I feel as most conservatives that there are people who cannot help themselves and need benefits. Whereas there are ones who abuse the system and they need to be identified and removed from welfare and other social entitlements.


Come on Crabby, you must turn from the dark side and vote your Christian conscience this November. :love2:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Thanks for the reply, but I have to say Obama has done more than any other president to keep the abortion mills employed. Maybe no laws have been changed but Planned Parenthood and the like are flourishing under Obama and Katherine Sabelias (sp). Remember Obama said " If my daughter gets pregnant as a teenager I don't want them to have to pay for that mistake." WOW, I cannot vote for anyone with that mindset. Also you didn't mention the other social issue of gay marriage. Obama once again has done more to promote homosexual issues than any other candidate ever. As a Christain how can you agree with his stance on this issue. The DNC is going to lift high the gay banner at their convention this week, not sure why any Christian would be OK with that. IMO.

I know this first sentence will raise some hackles, but so be it ... I do not agree with abortion but Planned Parenthood also does help others in areas I approve of, like cancer screening through the Susan G. Komen foundation. Lives are saved and that is good.

Planned parenthood is like all organizations, some good aspects some bad. That is life.

Not sure I agree with Romney and Ryan not wanting to help the poor. I feel as most conservatives that there are people who cannot help themselves and need benefits. Whereas there are ones who abuse the system and they need to be identified and removed from welfare and other social entitlements.

Yes there are some who abuse the system. That is true of any system. Banks abused the system and brought on disaster for many people in 2008. But we will not outlaw banks because of the abuse of some, especially some very large banks.

Helping the poor is seen as good often in the Bible, both in the OT and in the NT. We can try to ignore this, but it is always there ... and it is prominent in the Final Judgment scene in Matthew. As an aside, there is nothing about abortion in the Final Judgment. This is not a defense of abortion, just acknowledging that it is not present in the Final Judgment.

Come on Crabby, you must turn from the dark side and vote your Christian conscience this November. :love2:

I understand your sentiment, but being a Christian involves much more than being against abortion. Abortion is an emotional issue. It is also a safe issue. It demands nothing of us other than to be against it. How many on the board who are so adamantly against abortion would be willing to adopt a baby carried to term by a single-mother who does not want to keep the baby?

How many on the board are willing to have laws passed and enforced making it mandatory for men who father such babies to support the mother and child financially? Too many men, and I believe some on this board want no responsibility imposed on them or on other man in these instances.

Other issues, like helping the sick, the poor, the prisoner may well involve us in our time, money and activities. I feel that is one reason so many people avoid the social issue of helping others. {That is very gently said.}

I am not sure that Romney is really anti-abortion. He certainly stood strongly for it when he was governor of Massachusetts. Frankly, from all the issues he has flipped on I have come to believe he is a political chameleon and has no loyalty to any idea/belief if he feels it will not help him be elected.

I do think that Ryan, because of his Catholic background, is anti-abortion.

 

[OldRegular]

I was at the Constitution Party national convention as a delegate, and no thanks.

Perhaps you should spill the beans!

 

[OldRegular]

I know this first sentence will raise some hackles, but so be it ... I do not agree with abortion but Planned Parenthood also does help others in areas I approve of, like cancer screening through the Susan G. Komen foundation. Lives are saved and that is good.

Planned parenthood is like all organizations, some good aspects some bad. That is life.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back! Planned Parenthood was organized for the purpose of Eugenics and that is a fact. For the curious look up Margaret Sanger!

Helping the poor is seen as good often in the Bible, both in the OT and in the NT. We can try to ignore this, but it is always there ... and it is prominent in the Final Judgment scene in Matthew. As an aside, there is nothing about abortion in the Final Judgment. This is not a defense of abortion, just acknowledging that it is not present in the Final Judgment.

That is a crock! Furthermore it is stupid in my opinion. Have you stood before the Great White Throne yet? I thought not. How will you respond when God reminds you:
Matthew 18:10. Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Denying them life is certainly despising them. And again:

Proverbs 6:16-19
16. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

I will not go into all seven but consider #3:hands that shed innocent blood,

By your support of the democrat party, the party of Marx, perverts, and death, you have sanctioned the death of more than 50,000,000 unborn babies.

I understand your sentiment, but being a Christian involves much more than being against abortion. Abortion is an emotional issue. It is also a safe issue. It demands nothing of us other than to be against it.

That is an outright falsehood! Obviously it demands nothing from you since you support abortion.

How many on the board who are so adamantly against abortion would be willing to adopt a baby carried to term by a single-mother who does not want to keep the baby?

My wife and I have, twice! And they have given us four of our six wonderful grandchildren, the blessing of old age. So don't get preachy and sanctimonious Crabbie. It is not becoming of you, Just continue in your hard hearted fashion.

How many on the board are willing to have laws passed and enforced making it mandatory for men who father such babies to support the mother and child financially? Too many men, and I believe some on this board want no responsibility imposed on them or on other man in these instances.

That is a terribly indictment of your brothers in Jesus Christ. Does it perchance reflect your heartfelt views: Women are to be used and then they and their fruit cast aside?

Other issues, like helping the sick, the poor, the prisoner may well involve us in our time, money and activities. I feel that is one reason so many people avoid the social issue of helping others. {That is very gently said.}

I am not sure that Romney is really anti-abortion. He certainly stood strongly for it when he was governor of Massachusetts. Frankly, from all the issues he has flipped on I have come to believe he is a political chameleon and has no loyalty to any idea/belief if he feels it will not help him be elected.

He is more anti abortion than you! That is for certain!

I am 81 years old Crabtownboy but when you, a professing Christian, make remarks like you have in the above post I am sick at my stomach!

 

[OldRegular]

The only elections I recall as not having debates was 1964, 1968, and 1972. I think the last two can be attributed to Nixon's experience in 1960 with Kennedy. I do not know why 1964 was skipped. Looking back, Carter would have been much better off cancelling the 1980 debates.

Frankly I am not voting for the best debater; I am voting for president!

 

[OldRegular]

That being said, Mittens is not a viable option either. So, I have decided to abstain from voting this year for the prez.

Frankly that is not appropriate for a Christian, in my humble opinion!

 

[SolaSaint]

I know this first sentence will raise some hackles, but so be it ... I do not agree with abortion but Planned Parenthood also does help others in areas I approve of, like cancer screening through the Susan G. Komen foundation. Lives are saved and that is good.

Planned parenthood is like all organizations, some good aspects some bad. That is life.


Yes there are some whoabuse the system. That is true of any system. Banks abused the system and brought on disaster for many people in 2008. But we will not outlaw banks because of the abuse of some, especially some very large banks.

Helping the poor is seen as good often in the Bible, both in the OT and in the NT. We can try to ignore this, but it is always there ... and it is prominent in the Final Judgment scene in Matthew. As an aside, there is nothing about abortion in the Final Judgment. This is not a defense of abortion, just acknowledging that it is not present in the Final Judgment.




I understand your sentiment, but being a Christian involves much more than being against abortion. Abortion is an emotional issue. It is also a safe issue. It demands nothing of us other than to be against it. How many on the board who are so adamantly against abortion would be willing to adopt a baby carried to term by a single-mother who does not want to keep the baby?

How many on the board are willing to have laws passed and enforced making it mandatory for men who father such babies to support the mother and child financially? Too many men, and I believe some on this board want no responsibility imposed on them or on other man in these instances.

Other issues, like helping the sick, the poor, the prisoner may well involve us in our time, money and activities. I feel that is one reason so many people avoid the social issue of helping others. {That is very gently said.}

I am not sure that Romney is really anti-abortion. He certainly stood strongly for it when he was governor of Massachusetts. Frankly, from all the issues he has flipped on I have come to believe he is a political chameleon and has no loyalty to any idea/belief if he feels it will not help him be elected.

I do think that Ryan, because of his Catholic background, is anti-abortion.

Crabby,

Just because PP does some good should never outweigh the evil they do. IMO. It is like saying an adult porn shop helps men with ED.

Me and my wife did adopt a girl from a single mother and we also did foster care for several kids. I think most of the issues you raise on abortion are valid and most in here probably agree, but voting for a candidate who is clearly pro abortion has to eat at your stomach Crabby.
Come on over to the Right side Crabby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[OldRegular]

Crabby,

Just because PP does some good should never outweigh the evil they do. IMO. It is like saying an adult porn shop helps men with ED.

Me and my wife did adopt a girl from a single mother and we also did foster care for several kids. I think most of the issues you raise on abortion are valid and most in here probably agree, but voting for a candidate who is clearly pro abortion has to eat at your stomach Crabby.
Come on over to the Right side Crabby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

The dark side has got him I fear!