Ronald Reagan on Appeasement

[Allan]

Now there's a real good joke, you discount all the work Carter put in and give all the credit to Regan.


I sure hope the economy fixes itself on 1/20/2009 so we can say, "it took Obama one day to fix the economy"... :thumbs:

I don't like Carter all that much but I will say this...

According to my uncle who was a commander in the special forces up till about 3 years ago or so.. In speaking about President Carter, who he was not to fond of as a President in general, but he did have a great deal of respect for the man concerning military operations that we the people never heard about - and there were a great many of them that he himself lead covertly.

We do not see all the things our presidents do or know so we must be somewhat careful about some of the things we accuse them of. Sometimes we are correct but sometimes we just don't truly know the retaliation they have authorized, probably because it would either make the American people gasp or the United Nations or both. :saint:

BTW - THis is neither for or against whether Carter did anything specific relating to the hostage issue refered to in this threand. Merely a statement that though he did not publically attack per-say but he was known to retaliate in subtle and unseen ways by those men who performed them.

 

[LeBuick]

We do not see all the things our presidents do or know so we must be somewhat careful about some of the things we accuse them of. Sometimes we are correct but sometimes we just don't truly know the retaliation they have authorized, probably because it would either make the American people gasp or the United Nations or both. :saint:.

I can agree, I joined special forces in early 81 and most of our training was a result of Iranian Crises missions to include Operation Eagle Claw commonly known as the failed helicopter rescue attempt.

To all those who give Carter no credit, keep in mind that the Algiers Accords which released the hostages was signed on January 19, 1981. The hostages were then released the next day just minutes after Reagan was sworn in as President.

I sure hope of Ben Laden is captured minutes after Obama is sworn in that he gets all the credit.

 

[dragonfly]

Dragonfly, I received the Navy Expeditionary Medal, and I know of several Marines who received them also, for the actions following that bombing. And we had re-commissioned American Battleships pounding Beruit for months, after that bombing.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Thank you for providing this information, I didn't know anything about it. I must have missed it at the time. This perceived lack of action has always bothered me about Reagan; this news makes me feel better about his presidency.

 

[just-want-peace]

Thank you for providing this information, I didn't know anything about it. I must have missed it at the time. This perceived lack of action has always bothered me about Reagan; this news makes me feel better about his presidency.

DF, with this post you have just jumped up a few notches in my opinion of you! Thanks!!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

In complete agreement. :thumbs:

 

[saturneptune]

Reagan was the last conservative President we had. All since have been moderate to liberal. Even if Reagan had made a ton of mistakes, he gave us a sense of optimism and pride that the Carter administration had completely drained from this country.

How long will it be until our next conservative President is elected? Reagan has been out of office 20 years.

 

[LeBuick]

Reagan was the last conservative President we had. All since have been moderate to liberal. Even if Reagan had made a ton of mistakes, he gave us a sense of optimism and pride that the Carter administration had completely drained from this country.

How long will it be until our next conservative President is elected? Reagan has been out of office 20 years.

Carter, like the current Bush, had a tougher time to be president. He inherited massive inflation, oil shortages and a thorn in his side called the Iranian Hostage Crises. Kind of hard to breed optimism in the face of all that.

Carter did many good things he will never receive credit for because the seeds he planted matured during the Regan era. Just as Bush is planting seeds right now that won't mature until well into the Obama administration.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Carter didn't inherit any of that. His corporate tax rate of %70 is what caused our economic problems, there was no gas shortage, and the Isdlamic fundamentalists took our hostages only after Carter failed to assist the Shah.

Are you attempting to re-write history ? Do you really believe what you wrote ? I don't.

 

[LeBuick]

Carter didn't inherit any of that. His corporate tax rate of %70 is what caused our economic problems, there was no gas shortage, and the Isdlamic fundamentalists took our hostages only after Carter failed to assist the Shah.

Are you attempting to re-write history ? Do you really believe what you wrote ? I don't.

Yes, and can back every word. You don't recall the long lines to get gas? Stations out of gas?

Show me proof of a 70% tax rate under his administration.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes, and can back every word.

Well?

You don't recall the long lines to get gas? Stations out of gas?

And?

Show me proof of a 70% tax rate under his administration.

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/07/01/morning-bell-the-tax-man-cometh/

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51612

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/10/reprise-when-carter-spread-wealth.html

 

[LeBuick]

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/07/01/morning-bell-the-tax-man-cometh/

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51612

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/10/reprise-when-carter-spread-wealth.html

I see, what those articles don't say is Carter inherited that 70% rate in 1977 from Ford/Nixon and never changed it. You might also want to know the 70% rate first came in 1965 by LBJ and was a reduction from 77%. Look at the rates under Eisenhower, 91%.... Wow...

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/151.html

I also read that no one actually paid those rates because of loopholes and tax avoidance.

I like this quote also...

"When Reagan dropped the top income tax rate from over 70 percent down to under 30 percent, all hell broke loose. With the legal and social restraint to unlimited selfishness removed, 'the good of the nation' was replaced by 'greed is good' as the primary paradigm."

 

[Revmitchell]

You couldnt be more wrong. Ford cut taxes and it was never near 70%

 

[LeBuick]

Carter, like the current Bush, had a tougher time to be president. He inherited massive inflation, oil shortages and a thorn in his side called the Iranian Hostage Crises. .

This first link has a god article on the oil shortages. The embargo's and OPEC troubles began in 73 and carried through Carters administration. Can you believe oil want from $3/Barrel to $20? What we wouldn't do for those prices today.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,926216,00.html

I can't think of a better confession of the inflation Carter inherited that this speech by his predecessor, Gerald Ford. Some of you probably don't remember the famous WIN (Whip Inflation Now) speech.

http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3283

I will not take your time today with the discussion of the origins of inflation and its bad effect on the United States, but I do know where we want to be in 1976�on the 200th birthday of a United States of America that has not lost its way, nor its will, nor its sense of national purpose.

During the meetings on inflation, I listened carefully to many valuable suggestions. Since the summit, I have evaluated literally hundreds of ideas, day and night.

My conclusions are very simply stated. There is only one point on which all advisers have agreed: We must whip inflation right now.

I don't think I have to prove the hostage crises so I won't bother.

My point is, Carter inherited a very bad situation from Ford just as Obama is inheriting a very bad situation from Bush.

 

[LeBuick]

You couldnt be more wrong. Ford cut taxes and it was never near 70%

Read the chart from the tax foundation, it shows you are very wrong. It shows that 70% tax rate started in 1965 which was a reduction by LBJ from 77%.

 

[Revmitchell]

Read the chart from the tax foundation, it shows you are very wrong. It shows that 70% tax rate started in 1965 which was a reduction by LBJ from 77%.

http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/speeches/750028.htm

 

[LeBuick]

I just noticed something good, look how the tax rate dropped to 25% in 1925. And it remained at 25% through the market crash in 1929. Looks like FDR raised it in 1932 and you know what happened, that's right, the new deal began to put American's back to work and brought us out of the great depression.

Who said raising the top bracket taxes in economic crises wasn't effective? Who said lowering taxes was the savior of the economy? Looking at this chart historically, every time taxes go down we get in economic trouble. Taxes are then raised to get us out. I don't have to point out that Republican's seem to be in office when the crises comes and the Democrats pull us out. You guys can see that in the chart... :laugh: :thumbs:

J/K but what a coincidence...

 

[LeBuick]

http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/speeches/750028.htm

Yep, typical Republican, he said this in his speech but look at the chart, doesn't look like he followed through.

Cutting taxes now is essential if we are to turn the economy around. A tax cut offers the best hope of creating more jobs. Unfortunately, it will increase the size of the budget deficit. Therefore, it is more important than ever that we take steps to control the growth of Federal expenditures.

Sound familiar, how about a hint, "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES"...

 

[Revmitchell]

Looking at this chart historically, every time taxes go down we get in economic trouble. Taxes are then raised to get us out. I don't have to point out that Republican's seem to be in office when the crises comes and the Democrats pull us out. You guys can see that in the chart... :laugh: :thumbs:

J/K but what a coincidence...

You better look at that again.

 

[LeBuick]

You better look at that again.

Hhmm?? You better tell me what I'm missing, looks like every economic crices with the exception of the 70's was preceded by a huge tax cut.

Regan cut taxes and Clinton had to come in and balance the budget.

Bush cut taxes and now it's up to Obama to fix the economy.

Now we did good when the tax rate was 91%... Look at that...

 

[Revmitchell]

Hhmm?? You better tell me what I'm missing, looks like every economic crices with the exception of the 70's was preceded by a huge tax cut.

Well that is a good place to start.

Regan cut taxes and Clinton had to come in and balance the budget.

First, Clinton did nto balance the budget. It wasn't even his idea. He went along with it. And the economy was supported by the dotcom boom. It slid downward because the bubble burst much like what we are going through now.

Bush cut taxes and now it's up to Obama to fix the economy.

You know better than this. There have been two just wars, 911, and the failed democratic mortgage scheme that has lead us to this housing bubble bursting.

Now we did good when the tax rate was 91%... Look at that...

And what else was going on at that time.