Particular Baptist theology in regards to salvation IS what the Bible teaches, NOT THE False theology of RCC!
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RULE#1 For anything to be Officially Christian it must be found in the scriptures.
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Particular
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A Christian, chosen by God who is a child of the King. No sect, no denomination, but fully adopted and loved by the Father.
My faith is gifted to me by my Father and is rooted deeply in His Word which surpasses all human traditions in a church organizational structure.
Time for you to pull your head out of your church and meet your King face to face, Adonia.
The Gospel is the dividing line in the sand, either the reformers got it right or Rome does!
The "reformers" at least got some things right, the Baptists however have rejected what the "reformers" continue to believe in.
Then why are you a Baptist?
As is mine.
You have your own "church organizational structure" with your own interpretation of the Holy Scriptures.
I meet the King face to face every time I attend Holy Mass and receive him in Holy Communion.
Alofa Atu
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Isaiah 8:20. "To the Law ..." (priority, first). All things are judged by God's Law (the Ten Commandments). God wrote it. Everything else, written after, or said after, must align with it ("... and to the testimony"). God's Word is the standard, and all else ought to Amen it, even as the Son does Amen that of the Father's will.
Eve got into trouble in both adding and subtracting from God's word.
[1] Add - Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
[2] Take away - Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Particular
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I'm a Christian who attends a Reformed Baptist Church. Why? Because the church studies the Bible verse by verse and line by line. We work out our faith with fear and trembling.
You meet a wafer and a shot glass and tell yourself it is Jesus physical body and physical blood. Moreso, you think partaking in the ceremony somehow maintains your salvation. It is a perverse misunderstanding of Jesus and the last supper that destroys grace and replaces it with salvation by works (legalism). Your church is just a variation of the Jewish Pharisees.
Is it a "particular" Baptist theolog
And you get it all terribly wrong.
No, that is the long time teaching of orthodox Christianity - a teaching that has existed far longer than your "church" has been in existence. I believe that teaching over you and your sect's word on this.
Just following what the scriptures say on this.
It destroys nothing, it fulfils the scriptures and the reason for Jesus's coming in every way. It is you who rejects this long standing teaching of the Christianity.
You have made that charge so often it is like the boy who called wolf. It means nothing at this point because it is false one.
Alofa Atu
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Explain please. Also, when you refer to "the scriptures" what do you specifically mean by that phrase? (textual basis, etc)
John 6:53. 1Cor 11:24-25. You folks can believe every seemingly impossible thing that the scriptures talk about, things like a rod turning into a serpent, a burning bush that talks, one family and 2 of every animal on earth in one boat, the parting of an entire sea, the forming of the earth in a literal 6 days, people being healed of infirmities and raised from the dead, a savior being crucified and then raised from being dead and finally eternal life for all who believe, but then when that very Savior says the things from the scriptures that I referenced, somehow them being the actual truth is an impossibility. I will never understand this.
Walpole
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Good post. I have always found it odd that those who profess to believe that God was present in a box making its way across the wilderness, took the form of a cloud, took the form of a dove, and even became an actual man and entering into His creation as a baby, cannot bring themselves to believe that this same God would be present amongst His people in the Eucharist.
At its core, the Protestant objection to the Eucharist is the same objection Muslims and Jews have toward the Incarnation: God could not, would not and should not become man.
No, as we just reformed the reformers, as sometimes they still had too much RCC baggage left over!
Do you have confidence right now that you will avoid "purgatory?"
No, we deny that Jesus becomes changed into those those things!
Walpole
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Good, so do we! Christians do not believe Jesus changes. We believe that Jesus is God and God, by His very nature, is simple, eternal and UNCHANGING. Hence, if God changed, he would not be God.
I sense light is finally beginning to penetrate. There is hope here after all...
Well you did a bad job of reforming the "reformers". The last I heard plenty of Protestants believe in infant baptism, calling their clergy priests and Jesus's Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. This is proof positive that you are out of the mainstream of Christian thought.
There is no sacrament grace in the Communion, as its a memorial of what Jesus already did when he accomplished our full justification for us while on his cross!Good, so do we! Christians do not believe Jesus changes. We believe that Jesus is God and God, by His very nature, is simple, eternal and UNCHANGING. Hence, if God changed, he would not be God.
I sense light is finally beginning to penetrate. There is hope here after all...
we hold to what the scriptures would teach on those doctrines!
Purgatory is no problem for me as I believe the Catholic teaching on this issue. If my soul needs to be cleansed by fire as the scriptures tell us, then the purgation process will be my lot and salvation is mine.
1 Cor 3:12-15 says: "Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble - each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire".
That scripture encapsulate it all. The foundation of Jesus, the works we will be judged on, the "Day" of Judgement, the reward we shall receive from God, the bad things we have done burned up, and personal salvation. Yep, it's pretty much all there.
Grace comes from all the good things we participate in. It is a free gift from God and is inherent in all those good things we are a part of. If I were to nurse you through a sickness that would be a beautiful thing, another grace that would flow upon me from God. Why is something like that so hard for you to understand?
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