Russell Moore Fast-Tracks SBC Racial Reconciliation Summit

[Zaac]

I'm talking about the idea you convey that I----personally---have prejudice tendencies ----- how do you know???

I didn't convey that. YOU did.

Prove to me your ability to judge what may or may not be in my heart----the racism/prejudice spirit you believe resides in me is

...For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Matt. 12:34

No need to. Your own words do.

Perhaps Moore should spend more sleepless nites strategizing how to better reach whatever race with the saving gospel of Christ instead of trying to figure how many more times Southern Baptists need to say how sorry we are because some body in the past had a slave

Your flippant remark, which you appear to have tried to soften with an edit, is consistent with how many white people within the church try to dismiss what happened during slavery and the enduring impact it's had on the people of this nation, whether positive or negative.

It's steeped in a racial prejudice that says it couldn't possibly be what Blacks say it is because neither me nor any other white person currently alive have or had any slaves.

It's steeped in racial prejudice because you've attempted to marginalize the racial reconciliation that several in the SBC recognize needs to take place by giving the mote line about slavery when the article wasn't about slavery and who had slaves.

He's talking about what's going on right NOW. And you completely dismissed it and defaulted to slavery because that's the only race problem you and others seem to think black people talk about.

So you go ahead and think that black communities are gonna let you approach them, let alone talk to them to share the Gospel when white people like yourself continue to display this "yeah, yeah yeah we know yall are still mad about slavery get over it" act and summarily dismissing any other racial concerns that are being presented.

And as I said in another thread, one of the primary problems evident in race relations in this country is that black people keep trying to tell white people about their reality, and white people keep dismissing and marginalizing that reality, just as you did with what Russel Moore was saying.

Moore and others
phantom!!!! Its just not there!!! Prejudice and racism for me-----died when the Lord Jesus died----for you to say it still exists in ME-----in a bold face lie!!!!

So it may have died with Jesus, but you seem to be doing a pretty good job of digging up the old, decayed corpse and sitting it on your doorstep.

 

[blackbird]

I didn't convey that. YOU did.




Matt. 12:34

No need to. Your own words do.




Your flippant remark, which you appear to have tried to soften with an edit, is consistent with how many white people within the church try to dismiss what happened during slavery and the enduring impact it's had on the people of this nation, whether positive or negative.

It's steeped in a racial prejudice that says it couldn't possibly be what Blacks say it is because neither me nor any other white person currently alive have or had any slaves.

It's steeped in racial prejudice because you've attempted to marginalize the racial reconciliation that several in the SBC recognize needs to take place by giving the mote line about slavery when the article wasn't about slavery and who had slaves.

He's talking about what's going on right NOW. And you completely dismissed it and defaulted to slavery because that's the only race problem you and others seem to think black people talk about.

So you go ahead and think that black communities are gonna let you approach them, let alone talk to them to share the Gospel when white people like yourself continue to display this "yeah, yeah yeah we know yall are still mad about slavery get over it" act and summarily dismissing any other racial concerns that are being presented.

And as I said in another thread, one of the primary problems evident in race relations in this country is that black people keep trying to tell white people about their reality, and white people keep dismissing and marginalizing that reality, just as you did with what Russel Moore was saying.





So it may have died with Jesus, but you seem to be doing a pretty good job of digging up the old, decayed corpse and sitting it on your doorstep.

I may live in Alabama----but I want you to know that I have burned down the Uncle Tom's Cabin that use to reside in me but is now nothing but potash that you want so bad to resurrect!!!! Jesus tried to convey the truth of who He was to Judas----but Judas refused to listen and receive the truth-----I have tried to convey the truth of who I really am----but there seems to be some sort of Judas spirit that haunts the corridors of your spirit and that at times seems to act as your doorstep that prevents people like me from knocking and entering!! Again----I'm sorry you feel the way you do!!

 

[Zaac]

I may live in Alabama----but I want you to know that I have burned down the Uncle Tom's Cabin that use to reside in me but is now nothing but potash that you want so bad to resurrect!!!!

Now you're going into defense mode and trying to act like you didn't say what you've already said.

If you burned the cabin down you'd have a better understanding of why Moore and others said what they did and you'd recognize that he didn't in that article ask anybody to apologize or repent for slavery.

the cabin down Jesus tried to convey the truth of who He was to Judas----but Judas refused to listen and receive the truth-----I have tried to convey the truth of who I really am

I don't doubt who you say you are. I believe you truly believe what you say and try to live your life being that person.

But I'm also telling you what you SAID and that what you said in THIS thread does not match up with what you say you've done.

And it is this type of thing that people continue to do. If you continue to marginalize and dismiss without ever listening to what Blacks are saying, and in this instance to what Russel Moore said, then we'll continue to get more of the division that we currently have authored by GOD's people. And we, of all people , simply shouldn't be behaving like this.

----but there seems to be some sort of Judas spirit that haunts the corridors of your spirit and that at times seems to act as your doorstep that prevents people like me from knocking and entering!! Again----I'm sorry you feel the way you do!!

Ain't no spirit in me except the Spirit of God. I love you because you are my Brother in Christ.

But my Brothers and Sisters in Christ have to be corrected if we're going to point people to Christ. You can't be dismissive of someone's reality and then think you get a platform with them to share the Gospel. Jesus never did that.

 

[blackbird]

Now you're going into defense mode and trying to act like you didn't say what you've already said.

If you burned the cabin down you'd have a better understanding of why Moore and others said what they did and you'd recognize that he didn't in that article ask anybody to apologize or repent for slavery.




I don't doubt who you say you are. I believe you truly believe what you say and try to live your life being that person.

But I'm also telling you what you SAID and that what you said in THIS thread does not match up with what you say you've done.

And it is this type of thing that people continue to do. If you continue to marginalize and dismiss without ever listening to what Blacks are saying, and in this instance to what Russel Moore said, then we'll continue to get more of the division that we currently have authored by GOD's people. And we, of all people , simply shouldn't be behaving like this.




Ain't no spirit in me except the Spirit of God. I love you because you are my Brother in Christ.

But my Brothers and Sisters in Christ have to be corrected if we're going to point people to Christ. You can't be dismissive of someone's reality and then think you get a platform with them to share the Gospel. Jesus never did that.

I guess what you're trying to say now is------if I don't line my size 10 1/2 boots behind Moore----that makes me a racist?? More power to Moore----but I seriously doubt that just because he says what he says---means he'll be dining at your table tonite everything being hunk dee door ee!!!

 

[Revmitchell]

What you cannot do is make up a reality out of thin air to use as a political tool in order further an agenda and then give it the cover of Christianity. To misuse the name of Christ that way is blasphemous and you should be ashamed.

 

[OldRegular]

Just out of curiosity, how often should whites apologize for a slavery situation that they had nothing to do with, to a people who have never lived as a slave by these same apologetic whites??

How often, when the war of northern aggression is mentioned, do you hear that old retort, "that was over 100 years ago, so drop it"?

Well, I say the same about slavery, it's been well over 100 years ago, apologies have been made multiple times, so why can't it be allowed to die a natural death??

I'll tell you why - there's still too much money to be made by keeping the blacks feeling like victims; courtesy of the liberals who gladly keep the plantation gates shut and locked for those willing to sell their souls for a mess of pottage!!

Don't believe it? Just look how those who have escaped are portrayed; any, ANY, successful black that has refused to buy the liberal dogma is automatically an "UNCLE TOM"! (Notice which successful blacks who ARE NOT referred to as UNCLE TOMs.)

And that sorry excuse for an ATTORNEY GENERAL says that America is afraid to talk about race. No Eric, it's not that we are afraid, it's just that YOU & yours don't want to DISCUSS - you want to dictate; ignoring such is not fear, it's simply refusing to "cast pearls before swine"!

Now this upcoming "conference" may or not be worthwhile, cuz, IMNSHO, the legitimacy will be determined by whether there can be a TRUE dialog between all participants or if more "dead horse" apologies etc. are demanded.

My thoughts exactly and I could not have expressed them as well.

 

[Zaac]

I guess what you're trying to say now is------if I don't line my size 10 1/2 boots behind Moore----that makes me a racist??

Nope. I said what I intended to say. And you continue to make excuses for why you didn't listen.

More power to Moore----but I seriously doubt that just because he says what he says---means he'll be dining at your table tonite everything being hunk dee door ee!!!

He doesn't have any reason to be dining at my table. You may need to invite him to your house.

 

[Zaac]

My thoughts exactly and I could not have expressed them as well.

Same old same old. A bunch of white people who make it clear that much of the racial divide comes from the inability to listen.

Here go two more people talking about black people talking about slavery when the article had nothing to do with asking anyone to apologize or repent for slavery.

 

[Revmitchell]

Just out of curiosity, how often should whites apologize for a slavery situation that they had nothing to do with, to a people who have never lived as a slave by these same apologetic whites??

How often, when the war of northern aggression is mentioned, do you hear that old retort, "that was over 100 years ago, so drop it"?

Well, I say the same about slavery, it's been well over 100 years ago, apologies have been made multiple times, so why can't it be allowed to die a natural death??

I'll tell you why - there's still too much money to be made by keeping the blacks feeling like victims; courtesy of the liberals who gladly keep the plantation gates shut and locked for those willing to sell their souls for a mess of pottage!!

Don't believe it? Just look how those who have escaped are portrayed; any, ANY, successful black that has refused to buy the liberal dogma is automatically an "UNCLE TOM"! (Notice which successful blacks who ARE NOT referred to as UNCLE TOMs.)

And that sorry excuse for an ATTORNEY GENERAL says that America is afraid to talk about race. No Eric, it's not that we are afraid, it's just that YOU & yours don't want to DISCUSS - you want to dictate; ignoring such is not fear, it's simply refusing to "cast pearls before swine"!

Now this upcoming "conference" may or not be worthwhile, cuz, IMNSHO, the legitimacy will be determined by whether there can be a TRUE dialog between all participants or if more "dead horse" apologies etc. are demanded.

Given that blacks owned slaves just as whites did I will apologize when they do.

 

[Zaac]

Given that blacks owned slaves just as whites did I will apologize when they do.

**Personal attack deleted**

Absolutely embarrassing and disgusting that a Christian would make monopolizing to anyone about anything conditional upon the other person apologizing.

But yall think we don't have anything to repent of.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is utterly amazing that I know with confidence I can come to this board to see the last vestiges of white supremacy still being touted under a quasi-religious banner.

Yes we know. If we do not buckle under or agree with being guilty of something we never did then we are racists. :BangHead:

 

[Zaac]

Yes we know. If we do not buckle under or agree with being guilty of something we never did then we are racists. :BangHead:

Says the man running around calling people racists.

 

[OldRegular]

I may live in Alabama----but I want you to know that I have burned down the Uncle Tom's Cabin that use to reside in me but is now nothing but potash that you want so bad to resurrect!!!! Jesus tried to convey the truth of who He was to Judas----but Judas refused to listen and receive the truth-----I have tried to convey the truth of who I really am----but there seems to be some sort of Judas spirit that haunts the corridors of your spirit and that at times seems to act as your doorstep that prevents people like me from knocking and entering!! Again----I'm sorry you feel the way you do!!

I finally came to the conclusion that the only way to deal with Zaac's racism wrapped in his religiosity was to put him on the ignore list!

 

[Zaac]

I finally came to the conclusion that the only way to deal with Zaac's racism wrapped in his religiosity was to put him on the ignore list!

Perhaps the way that Blacks need to start dealing with the religiosity and racism of the political right is to start putting yall on IGNORE.:thumbsup:

 

[righteousdude2]

Perhaps the way that Blacks need to start dealing with the religiosity and racism of the political right is to start putting yall on IGNORE.:thumbsup:

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[Zaac]

:sleep::sleep:

 

[Dr. Bob]

This is now a "political" discussion and drifting quickly toward closing. Deal with the ISSUE not calling each other names like petulant school-kids.

 

[church mouse guy]

The SBC should sit down and shut up.

 

[OldRegular]

The SBC should sit down and shut up.

I am of the same opinion. they came out with an apology of sorts some years back. That should be sufficient.

 

[Zaac]

The SBC should sit down and shut up.

The SBC better keep talking and pointing the unrepentant toward repentance. Those who don't want to repent can become Independent.