I am not defending Trump. I am however, against these liberal lies you keep packing around here indiscriminately.
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Russia Did It!!
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I am not defending Trump. I am however, against these liberal lies you keep packing around here indiscriminately.
It fits you. Totally.
"liberal lies" LOL!
There would indeed be a riot and possibly Civil War II.Perhaps he wants to prevent Trump from taking office. If they find evidence that Russia somehow was responsible for one vote being changed from Hillary to Trump, Obama --fearing a riot by the people and viewing it as an attack on the U.S. by Russia-- could invoke Executive Order 13603 and remain President until marital law is removed. Which would probably be in 2021.
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HankD
When you realize you lost and are so totally incoherent you resort to insults.
How about sitting and thinking about your irrational statement s and try to come up with a logical, reasoned response. Grow up. Get your big boy pants on and start thinking.
I did not realize you have such a bad case of the Trump disease. Don't confuse me with facts. My mind is made up.
Motives? It is Obama’s way to try to delegitimize the people having voted against his “great legacy” - which he finds terribly insulting to his ego. It is a way for him to try to continue to cause division between the parties and try to hamper progress. The timing is about a way for him to make himself feel better when turning over the keys to the White House. It is also another cry-babyish step toward the equivalent of an evicted tenant trashing the place before he leaves. – remember when the Dems took the childish step of removing all the W’s off the keyboards before Bush moved in?
Although, I agree that the hacking of our information from foreign countries are a concern and should be dealt with there are at least a couple of major issues with the timing and motivation of this investigation.
1) This is not a new problem and the motive for taking action now not only demonstrates past incompetence but a problem with priorities concerning the motivation being over the offense to the Democratic Party rather than over the offense to the people of the U.S.A. over the last 8 years.
2) Not only is it being overlooked that the responsibility rests on Obama’s head for not protecting against hacking but the focus has gone about to completely ignore the damaging evidence which merely exposes the truth of what was going on behind the scenes – which should be equally of concern. It is like getting caught stealing on a hidden camera and blame-shifting on that the camera shouldn’t have been there - even though the thief also knows he neglected his responsibility to monitor when and where the cameras were set up. As if it was the camera’s fault for showing the truth which hurt "him" (the Democratic Party, thus his legacy)…
...very telling that right after the recount was halted the next step was to jump on the hacking issue. I'd bet anything Obama was hoping and lying in wait for a discrepancy over a recount to then drop this hacking issue in the mix but since it didn't pan out he used it anyway for divisional reasons. The Dems and their "friends" just can't accept the results and will look for and work to develop any hope to attempt to discount the election all the way until the inauguration.
I for one will not let the Dems and #NeverTrumpers whining discourage the optimistic view I have for our future. Although, I'll be more than ready to see them become an insignificance of the past as the rest of us focus on positive changes and dreams of better things in the future.
Although, I agree that the hacking of our information from foreign countries are a concern and should be dealt with there are at least a couple of major issues with the timing and motivation of this investigation.
1) This is not a new problem and the motive for taking action now not only demonstrates past incompetence but a problem with priorities concerning the motivation being over the offense to the Democratic Party rather than over the offense to the people of the U.S.A. over the last 8 years.
2) Not only is it being overlooked that the responsibility rests on Obama’s head for not protecting against hacking but the focus has gone about to completely ignore the damaging evidence which merely exposes the truth of what was going on behind the scenes – which should be equally of concern. It is like getting caught stealing on a hidden camera and blame-shifting on that the camera shouldn’t have been there - even though the thief also knows he neglected his responsibility to monitor when and where the cameras were set up. As if it was the camera’s fault for showing the truth which hurt "him" (the Democratic Party, thus his legacy)…
...very telling that right after the recount was halted the next step was to jump on the hacking issue. I'd bet anything Obama was hoping and lying in wait for a discrepancy over a recount to then drop this hacking issue in the mix but since it didn't pan out he used it anyway for divisional reasons. The Dems and their "friends" just can't accept the results and will look for and work to develop any hope to attempt to discount the election all the way until the inauguration.
I for one will not let the Dems and #NeverTrumpers whining discourage the optimistic view I have for our future. Although, I'll be more than ready to see them become an insignificance of the past as the rest of us focus on positive changes and dreams of better things in the future.
Good point, Obama is having his "review" retroactive to 2008 which is an admission of guilt of not protecting the American citizenry until the 11th hour just before the changing of the guard.
Not only does it further prove the fact that there is no way to determine if 8 years worth of data of multi-millions of voters over hundreds of thousands of voting machines has been tampered with or hacked by January 20th.
HankD
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Voting machines cannot be hacked.
They can if they are connected to the internet.
That determination must be made by the "review" project..
HankD
They are not connected to the internet
Wrong.
It's not sufficient to just deny it. It must be proven or disproven scientifically to be considered "evidence".
It must be Proven true or not true for every precinct, every state, every voting machine.
Also, it does not have to be a hard-wire of connectivity to be hackable.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2016/09/20/which-voting-machines-can-be-hacked-through-the-internet/
In addition, an Information Technology hardware Engineer could make a terminal oriented voting machine a connection to the internet.
HankD
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Also a software engineer here (Java, JavaScript, and Mainframe COBOL/JCL stuff) and I completely agree. In fact, it's entire plausible it's completely untraceable. If the attackers used a network like TOR, where the destination address is reached by hopping across an unknown number of middle-men servers it is entirely untraceable.
Although I have no great attraction to Trump (other than he's not Hillary) I voted for him.
So, as an IT consultant I'm just being honest - It is entirely possible for a voting machine to be "hacked" in both the standard and non-standard definitions of being open to a "hack".
The machines would have to be connected to the internet directly (those with electronic monitors and drivers) or indirectly (with email or batch processing files as input).
Also I can guarantee that there are MANY engineers out in hyperspace land who could connect even an older machine to the internet and do it in an hour or two, at least the hardware aspect - then another effort by a software engineer to get it to work on the hardware.
The point is that a project would have to be launched to examine every voting machine in every precinct in every state to FIRST of all calculate the percentage of existing voting machines which are hackable via a direct or indirect connection to the internet. A colossal undertaking and that is just the beginning of a study to determine if the Russians are involved.
In addition all machines would have to be locked down to prevent falsifying the evidence connected to the voting machines themselves.
IMO, it is very unlikely but it has to be demonstrated with facts not wild unprofessional speculation (of course my speculation is neither wild nor unprofessional
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And certainly there could not be an overturn of the election without this kind of a protracted IT project being launched.
There is absolutely no way that it could be determined if Russia's interference was involved via the IT arts and sciences even if someone came forth with a verbal "confession". Evidence, evidence, evidence.
Now if they came forth with evidence (real not imagined or falsified) that would be different.
HankD
So, as an IT consultant I'm just being honest - It is entirely possible for a voting machine to be "hacked" in both the standard and non-standard definitions of being open to a "hack".
The machines would have to be connected to the internet directly (those with electronic monitors and drivers) or indirectly (with email or batch processing files as input).
Also I can guarantee that there are MANY engineers out in hyperspace land who could connect even an older machine to the internet and do it in an hour or two, at least the hardware aspect - then another effort by a software engineer to get it to work on the hardware.
The point is that a project would have to be launched to examine every voting machine in every precinct in every state to FIRST of all calculate the percentage of existing voting machines which are hackable via a direct or indirect connection to the internet. A colossal undertaking and that is just the beginning of a study to determine if the Russians are involved.
In addition all machines would have to be locked down to prevent falsifying the evidence connected to the voting machines themselves.
IMO, it is very unlikely but it has to be demonstrated with facts not wild unprofessional speculation (of course my speculation is neither wild nor unprofessional
).And certainly there could not be an overturn of the election without this kind of a protracted IT project being launched.
There is absolutely no way that it could be determined if Russia's interference was involved via the IT arts and sciences even if someone came forth with a verbal "confession". Evidence, evidence, evidence.
Now if they came forth with evidence (real not imagined or falsified) that would be different.
HankD
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The problem any would-be hacker has with the American voting system has is its decentralized nature. There are fifty-plus systems. Not all of them are connected to the internet.
The looniest of moonbats on the left are already calling for war.
President Obama can save this country.
He needs to go on TV and speak to the nation. He has to lay out the interference by Russia in our democratic process, even at the risk of compromising sources and methods. He needs to go on to say an election that happened under the influence of such interference is a nullity. He should set a new election date. Then he should announce he has positioned troops around the country and called up the National Guard and he will not hesitate to declare martial law in the event of violence.
He will rank with Washington and Lincoln in the history of this nation if he does. If he doesn't we will have to fix things ourselves and it will be very messy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028347473