Rythym does what for the body?

[Salamander]

Well, you have expressed your opinion. What passes for an appeal to Scripture is actually an expression of your opinion that only things found in Scripture are incontestable. Well, Scripture does teach that Christians are to exercise judgment in matters of life (e.g. I Corinthians 6).

Can we learn nothing from experience? When I was young and chasing girls, I certainly knew that girls from churches with certain music traditions were less likely to gratify fleshy urges than those from churches with highly rhythmic music and emotional services. Usually this music with a beat produced more physical longings than spiritual.

Have you ever read serious students of rock 'n roll on the secular side? They speak of the "empowerment" that beat and rhythm give. Does this glorify God or appeal to fleshly pride?

Naw, you're arguing your opinion for what you want to believe. We're just playing pious games by saying, "If the Bible doesn't say it, it's just your opinion."

You said, "If you don't have scripture.. then you need to back down." Now, let's see you support this statement from Scripture. If it is a valid principle, then it applies to you as well as others. How do you know that you must have Scripture to judge anything or your opinion is invalid? Is not this a presupposition of your opinion? And what is a presupposition other than opinion? Show us the Scriptural basis of your assertion or back down. Your turn. :type:

May I say this?AMEN!

 

[Salamander]

Wonder what we would say today about David's dancing to/with music in 2 Samuel 6?

We would reveal to all the unsuspecting and simple that David was dancing as a new born lamb did as it frollicked in the open field.:godisgood:

 

[Salamander]

The Bible says nothing about rhythm based music, thats why we cant build a doctrine around it.

Actuallt it speaks volumes by principle. Those principles you choose to ignore.

Your ideal is taking away from Scripture's use as being profitable for doctrine and reproof.

The conclusion of the effects of anything is proof for some of us concerning any activity and its dangers. Why not for you? I dare say LIBERAL MODERNISTIC mindsets.

God gave us brains and he gave us His discernment. Use logic. Use practicality. Use preference. Use cultural norms and mores. We are foolish if we ignore all those.

No, actually God gave us a new nature as his Spirit indwells our HEARTS that doesn't rely on man's wisdom and his logic to rationalise the word of God to his own liking.:smilewinkgrin:

Is 55:9 is still in my Bible, yours?

However a claim was made that the Bible teaches that rhythm based music weakens mans spiritual nature. Rhythm based music may or may not do that, but the Bible does not teach it.

Seems you're now questioning yourself as to whether it does or does not.:tongue3:

 

[Salamander]

Man - I gotta say - where is this aphrodisiac effect from music? I've never experienced it myself in all of the years that I've been listening to music. Maybe I'm listening to the wrong music? But the music that I have has a beat. Hmmmm - must look into this more. Maybe there's something wrong with me?

And never listened to any "love songs" either I'd bet.:tongue3:

 

[Salamander]

Using music is akin to firearms (for instance).

You can have your rifles and pistols, join a gun club and have good clean recreation, hunt for your meat supply or you can rob banks and/or kill people.

What one does with music depends on the heart and mind of the participant.

Some rock music such as came forth from the Grateful Dead (as an example) was clearly associated with the evil of drug addiction and idolization of the musicians.

I was a teenager in the early 50's when rock 'n roll developed.

Look at the words "rock" and "roll", the words themselves can be suggestive.

All the "rock" of the 50's was developed by musicians of corrupt morals (for the most part).

Do I still listen to it (50's "rock"), yes, on nostalgic occasions. But I also own quite a few firearms and I've never robbed a bank or killed anyone with them.


HankD

can you explain the title to a "hit" by The Chicago Transit Authorty; "25 or 624" ? "....sitting crosslegged on the floor"

 

[Salamander]

"heavily rhythmic' is not my phrase.

Then stop using it.:tongue3:

 

[Thinkingstuff]

We would reveal to all the unsuspecting and simple that David was dancing as a new born lamb did as it frollicked in the open field.:godisgood:

Does that mean Don won't be able to have children in the future? Especially, when you consider what happened to David's first wife.

 

[annsni]

And never listened to any "love songs" either I'd bet.:tongue3:

Ummm - not at all in the last gazillion years (or so it seems) but even when I DID listen to love songs, it never sent me into a s3xual frenzy. Ever.

But today? I pretty much only listen to worship music. Uh-oh!! I just realized! The CD I have in my car is "The Best of Passion.....So Far". I guess I'm maybe in trouble.



But then again, I'm not driven to anything physical but spiritual when I listen. I mean, just the other day a song actually drove me to ....... gasp ...... PRAY!!!!!

 

[tinytim]

Why, of Course! Who else is so readily exacerbated.

Doesn't "bother" me a bit to give references to what Scriptures condemn worldly music and how that music incites undulations of the body relative to sexual intercourse.

"Back down"? From what may I ask? You would love to keep thinking that because YOU love the undulating music incites.

When and if I do provide the references, YOU will only deny them, just as YOU have denied so many others as IF they aren't B&W enough for your palate.

:laugh: And you would have them with bones through their noses, [crude comment snipped], spears and shields in hand, plates in their earlobes.....

Would YOU pleeeeeeaaaaasssssssssssse! address that which IS dostinguished between "rhythm-based" music and just plain rhythms? I seriously doubt you will.

Ah, yes, the old slam your brother because he takes a stand you should and then attack his character by saying he is not educated. That, sir, is a practise of the Greek scholar to try and abase his lessers. It is heretical and an insult to the Lord who bought us both.:smilewinkgrin:

Looking in your mirror has a way of convincing some, but obviously you're seeing the person you think you are.:love2:

You're looking for it spelled out. What is really amazing is how you deny reality and confound the scriptures rather than accept the principles.

Me? "angry"

I love your posts... All i am asking for is biblical proof...

Thanks for proving what I was saying...:tongue3:

 

[tinytim]

Ummm - not at all in the last gazillion years (or so it seems) but even when I DID listen to love songs, it never sent me into a s3xual frenzy. Ever.

But today? I pretty much only listen to worship music. Uh-oh!! I just realized! The CD I have in my car is "The Best of Passion.....So Far". I guess I'm maybe in trouble.



But then again, I'm not driven to anything physical but spiritual when I listen. I mean, just the other day a song actually drove me to ....... gasp ...... PRAY!!!!!

NOOOO!!! not that!!!

We can't have Christians listening to songs with rhythm... and praying!!!

Next thing we know we will have Christians, bowing at an altar...
Or youth turning from sin... while listening to POD!!!

OH NOO>..

That rocks my cultural world!

 

[Mexdeaf]

All I have seen posted so far is high-mindedness and innuendo.

And I'm guessing that is all we will ever see on this subject.

 

[Steven2006]

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

(In my best Sonny Bono impersonation)


OK, now back to our regular scheduled programing.

 

[Salamander]

Does that mean Don won't be able to have children in the future? Especially, when you consider what happened to David's first wife.

Make the connection?

It has to do with rejoicing in the Lord as one of His lambs for the return of the presence and power of God in the kingdom. Psalm 37 has alot to do with this delight in the Lord and NOTHING to do with childbearing.:laugh:

 

[Salamander]

Ummm - not at all in the last gazillion years (or so it seems) but even when I DID listen to love songs, it never sent me into a s3xual frenzy. Ever.

But today? I pretty much only listen to worship music. Uh-oh!! I just realized! The CD I have in my car is "The Best of Passion.....So Far". I guess I'm maybe in trouble.



But then again, I'm not driven to anything physical but spiritual when I listen. I mean, just the other day a song actually drove me to ....... gasp ...... PRAY!!!!!

Now you've advanced into a "frenzy":saint:

 

[Salamander]

I love your posts... All i am asking for is biblical proof...

Thanks for proving what I was saying...:tongue3:

Expand on the principle taught on the dance of Herodious' daughter before Herod on what type of driving rhythm would have been played as she seduced that king WITHOUT allowing that principle to tell us what sort of music should be associated with that dance. Then apply the full meaning of abstaining from every appearance of evil WITHOUT consideration of the impression music has upon the type of dance.:tonofbricks:

WSB 750 in Atlanta Ga plays certain music that a frequenter of Las Vegas identified as "stripper music". This dude is LOST and he knows something about music most Christians deny!:tongue3:

 

[Salamander]

NOOOO!!! not that!!!

We can't have Christians listening to songs with rhythm... and praying!!!

Next thing we know we will have Christians, bowing at an altar...
Or youth turning from sin... while listening to POD!!!

OH NOO>..

That rocks my cultural world!

Yep, I can see it now, in your church, people's [crude comment deleted] to the beat as they pray in the altar!:tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Closing this thread.

Enough of the attacks, crudeness, and innuendos.