Sabbath Keepers

[percho]

BTW I'm about 35 years in the Presbyterian and about 35 years in the Baptist and I'm not sure I am sure.

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt 19:28

Personally, I think there will be sabbath/sabbaths.

 

[HankD]

There is a NC Sabbath rest to be entered into.

Hebrews 4:9 So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God;
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

It's Jesus' Sabbath rest not Moses'.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Sir, you are a classic example of misrepresenting others.

I did, I showed you the official SDA website, their stance concerning other christian faith. I will POST IT AGAIN at the end of this post.

I think your glasses owe you an apology.

Lets have a close look at bob's #55 post......... Nope nothing there.

The charge you are trying to bring on him is "Sunday worshipers will receive Mark of the beast" based on what Ellen G White said, NOTHING on what Bob said.

In post 55 Bob only mentions:

"Rev 14 contrasts the saints who "keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- with -- those who receive the mark of the beast - and it says this is all future. -- this is irrefutable"


That simply does not equate to "sunday worshipers will recieve the mark of the beast".

If you research the official SDA website they are going to tell you that folks who worship on sunday don't automaticly get mark of the beast, I will post in the end their stance.


If you want I can word a question that will force him to trip the line you want. I can give you lots of tips on playing dirty. But if you read previous debates he already answered that "charge".




I am going to copy and paste a official SDA stance :

The way their system runs is they have a general conference, This guy is the president.

The Seventh Day Adventist has an official website:

Will non-Adventists be saved?


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Will non-Adventists be saved?

May 27, 2016 |


Q: Some Adventist leaders in my country compare the Seventh-day Adventist Church to the ark of Noah during the flood. They tell us that Christ will say to those who are not Adventists, “I never knew you." Is this biblical? — Gin, from Myanmar

A: To answer the second part of your question first, Jesus says in Matthew 7: 21, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.” Then in vs. 22 Jesus quotes all of the good works that these people claim to have done, at the end of which He tells them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (vs. 23).

Here Jesus is addressing those who expect to be saved by their works, but are actually practicing “lawlessness.” This could apply to anyone who makes these choices, including those who claim to be Adventist.

There are many precious people who have lived up to all of the faith they knew, and died trusting in Jesus. There will be more than just Seventh-day Adventists in heaven!

Now, regarding Noah’s ark, the Bible tells us that “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:26,27, ESV).

God gave an important message to Noah, and for 120 years he warned the people that their world was coming to an end. The only way to be saved was to believe God’s message and come into the ark. Every person had the opportunity to accept the message and be saved. Those who rejected it were lost.

Today, in a world filled with evil and violence, God has entrusted to His remnant people — the Seventh-day Adventist Church — His last day message found in Rev. 14:6-10, the three angels’ messages. The essence of which is found in vs. 7: “’Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.’”

Just before Jesus comes, every person on earth will have the opportunity to decide whether they will be saved or lost — whether they will receive the seal of God or the mark of the beast (see Rev. 7:2,3; Rev. 9:4; Rev. 13:16-18). There are only two choices — to follow God, or to follow the beast.

Just as “Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord” (Gen. 6:8), so can we. We aren’t saved because we are Seventh-day Adventists; we’re saved because we have accepted Jesus as our Savior, we have accepted His revealed truth in the Bible, and we have chosen to follow Him. “Noah walked with God; … according to all that God commanded him, so he did” (Gen. 6:9b, 22).

If you have a question that you would like to send in for consideration in my Q&A posts, you may send it to: askpastorwilson@adventist.org.

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As I have already said, I am sorry that you have difficulty with English. Again, IF you care to read what I have said to Bob more than once, I was quoting what EGW says and NOT the present SDA "dogma". I asked him about her beliefs and if he agreed with what she said. His responses are that he did agree, and that she was right, and "time will tell" that she was.

 

[utilyan]

My understanding is no one can keep the sabbath holy, and our attempt was the shadow of someone who finally did, Jesus Christ who died and rested through the sabbath finally finishing it. His rising and conquering of the devil holds full deservance of praise.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

There is a NC Sabbath rest to be entered into.

Hebrews 4:9 So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God;
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

It's Jesus' Sabbath rest not Moses'.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Yes, it is a completely different "rest" to the Sabbath rest. Some wrongly assume that they mean the same, as they do with "Commandments", which they also wrongly assume, refers to the Ten Commandments whenever it is used.

 

[HankD]

Yes, it is a completely different "rest" to the Sabbath rest. Some wrongly assume that they mean the same, as they do with "Commandments", which they also wrongly assume, refers to the Ten Commandments whenever it is used.

The law was a "shadow" of things to come

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Why are you so mean to others?

mean? I am simply telling you that again you get your "facts" wrong, because you do not understand what is going on!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Why are you so mean to others?

look at my comments in #37, and Bob's response in #38, and you will see from what he says, that EGW is right in what she says about Sunday worshipers. You join in this debate without knowing all of the facts, and assume too much that is wrong, and then make some rather silly accusations that are altogether false!

I have nothing further to say to you on this.

 

[utilyan]

As I have already said, I am sorry that you have difficulty with English. Again, IF you care to read what I have said to Bob more than once, I was quoting what EGW says and NOT the present SDA "dogma". I asked him about her beliefs and if he agreed with what she said. His responses are that he did agree, and that she was right, and "time will tell" that she was.

He even tells you in his post:
"your topic" about future predictions not mine..

ALL SDA believe in Ellen G White. Thats a plain cop-out.

But YOUR translation/interpretation of her words is not THEIRS.

You are insisting what they mean. MISREPRESENTATION.

I'm trying to explain to you, they do not believe that everyone who worships on Sunday has the mark of the beast.


If you like, I can look over the rules and find you a easier way to make them walk the plank.

My first inclination would be to check out their idea of Trinity or "GODHEAD". If your that desperate to kickem off.

But make sure you hook it up to their church manual, church by laws, general conference.


Grace, you have God on your side, I don't see what about them threatens you. If we need better answers to what they say, lets get better answers to what they say.

I got to accept for example its not all on me to change another's heart, I got to pray for it, Let God take the lead.

If I was a Calvinist, for example the minimum requirement is that you present the gospel fully where it is fully heard and then you let God take care of it, right? Have you done that? Have you present the Gospel. If not do it, If you have, great pray to God to make more elect folks.


"Lord, hasten to bring in all Thine elect—and then elect some more."-- C.H.Spurgeon

 

[utilyan]

look at my comments in #37, and Bob's response in #38, and you will see from what he says, that EGW is right in what she says about Sunday worshipers. You join in this debate without knowing all of the facts, and assume too much that is wrong, and then make some rather silly accusations that are altogether false!

I have nothing further to say to you on this.

I read both 37 and 38 twice.

Again the problem is tiny misrepresentation: everyone who worships on Sunday has the mark of the beast.

That is not their belief. And neither has Bob stated this. YOUR translation/interpretation of her words is not THEIRS.

If that were the case SDA's would plainly say anyone who is not SDA is damned.



Its like if took a line in the bible:

In the bible Jesus says hate your mother and father. And now claim you must have murdered your parents and want us to do the same.

I would be misrepresenting you. The words translate/interpret differently. (i always confuse both words)

Concerning them you are mistaken.

 

[Darrell C]

There is a NC Sabbath rest to be entered into.

Hebrews 4:9 So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God;
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Those who have been saved have entered into that Rest. The Writer is speaking to his brethren, Israel, contrasting the rest promised (which they arrived at) which was the Land, and the fact that there was still a Rest to come (referring to Christ). That is why he mentions Joshua:


Hebrews 4:8-9
King James Version (KJV)

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


The "People of God" in view here is a reference to the Hebrew people:


Hebrews 11:24-25
King James Version (KJV)

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;


God bless.

 

[HankD]

Those who have been saved have entered into that Rest. The Writer is speaking to his brethren, Israel, contrasting the rest promised (which they arrived at) which was the Land, and the fact that there was still a Rest to come (referring to Christ). That is why he mentions Joshua:


Hebrews 4:8-9
King James Version (KJV)

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


The "People of God" in view here is a reference to the Hebrew people:


Hebrews 11:24-25
King James Version (KJV)

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;


God bless.

Well yes, therefore that which is a shadow of reality and old and ready to vanish away will vanish away as prophesied in the book of Hebrews..

This happened in AD70.
The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 AD

With the destruction of the temple, biblical Judaism VANISHED away.

That which is kept today is Talmudic Judaism.

Biblical Judaism is impossible to keep without the Temple and the Aaronic priesthood officiating.

The sabbath of biblical Judaism cannot be kept when either of these constituents are missing.
I suppose one could try.

You are correct we are resting in Jesus (24/7).

 

[Darrell C]

Well yes, therefore that which is a shadow of reality and old and ready to vanish away will vanish away as prophesied in the book of Hebrews..

This happened in AD70.
The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 AD

With the destruction of the temple, biblical Judaism VANISHED away.

That which is kept today is Talmudic Judaism.

Biblical Judaism is impossible to keep without the Temple and the Aaronic priesthood officiating.

The sabbath of biblical Judaism cannot be kept when either of these constituents are missing.
I suppose one could try.

You are correct we are resting in Jesus (24/7).

How about Biblical Judaism while Israel was in captivity? Just because they could not keep it as commanded did not mean there were not still faithful Jews. I'm not saying Jews can keep the Law, just saying that would not stop them from believing they were keeping it to the best of their ability.

The day is coming when a new Temple will emerge, and the elements of Biblical Judaism will again be intact. It will still be obsolete, but, I do think that among Jews who sincerely think they worship the God of the Bible there will arise those converted to Christ in the Tribulation.

Okay, hope you and everyone here has a blessed day, see you next time around, Lord willing.


God bless.

 

[HankD]

How about Biblical Judaism while Israel was in captivity? Just because they could not keep it as commanded did not mean there were not still faithful Jews. I'm not saying Jews can keep the Law, just saying that would not stop them from believing they were keeping it to the best of their ability.

The day is coming when a new Temple will emerge, and the elements of Biblical Judaism will again be intact. It will still be obsolete, but, I do think that among Jews who sincerely think they worship the God of the Bible there will arise those converted to Christ in the Tribulation.

That is the hope of some.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus quotes from the TEN commandments in Matthew 19
Jesus condemns the efforts of the traditions of man - to downsize even one of the Ten Commandments in Mark 7:6-13.

The point remains.

Jesus was speaking to them while still under the Old Covenant , and he was addressing how they elevated man made traditions equal to sacred scriptures, very same thing ypu do with Ellen White!

 

[Yeshua1]

The Bible predicts that the mark of the beast scenario will play out in the future as Rev 13 and 14 state. This is irrefutable

Rev 14 contrasts the saints who "keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- with -- those who receive the mark of the beast - and it says this is all future. -- this is irrefutable

That is a prediction about what is in our future -- -- this is irrefutable

Those who receive the mark of the beast are sinning in that future scenario and 1 John 3:4 says "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" -- -- this is irrefutable

"You" apparently "predict" that the future being described in that text will not include the sin of Sabbath breaking

Ellen White claimed that God gave her a vision of that future event and that it most certainly did include that sin, and that Sabbath commandment is in fact one of the TEN Commandments written on the heart under the New Covenant (as even most non-SDA groups will admit to one degree or another when they admit that it is the TEN that God writes on the heart.)

We will see which of the two of you are making the correct prediction about the future when we get to it - for now I think Ellen White's message from God will end up being correct and your wild-guess about that future will be less-than.

Time will tell who is right.

Sunday IS the Day of worship, the Lord's day, for the Church, so why would obeying God receive us a hell sentence?

 

[Yeshua1]

Me either. There is no such thing as The Baptist Confession of Faith.

To think that all Baptists would agree to a single confession is idiotic. You can't even get Baptists to whistle "Yankee Doodle" in unison, let alone agree to a single confession of faith.

We all do, its called the Bible!

 

[percho]

The law was a "shadow" of things to come

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

I agreed also. Permit me to ask.

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. Ex 16:22,23

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Gen 1:31; 2:2,3

Do you, and or anyone, not believe that that seventh day in Exodus is not a multiplication from that seventh day of Genesis 2?

Is that seventh day, a shadow? If yes of what? A shadow for Israel or a shadow for man-kind? How did Jesus fulfill that shadow?

 

[HankD]

I agreed also. Permit me to ask.

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. Ex 16:22,23

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Gen 1:31; 2:2,3

Do you, and or anyone, not believe that that seventh day in Exodus is not a multiplication from that seventh day of Genesis 2?

Is that seventh day, a shadow? If yes of what? A shadow for Israel or a shadow for man-kind? How did Jesus fulfill that shadow?

Our rest happened in the day of His appearance.

Some messianics claim He came at the beginning of the 7th millennium.

??

 

[steaver]

Can you give the specific time range for the Sabbath, what you are allowed to do and what you are not allowed to do and what you are required to do on the Sabbath?

Bible texts do count as scripture -- right?

Some say evening starts at 5, some say 6, what time do you say it is?

And you didn't answer the latter part of my question....

.....what you are allowed to do and what you are not allowed to do and what you are required to do on the Sabbath?