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SABBATH POLL REDUX

SABBATH POLL REDUX

  • The Law is abolished and so the Sabbath no longer needs to be kept

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • We need to keep the Law of God but the Sabbath has been omitted from it

    Votes: 4 21.1%

  • The Law of God still applies, and so does the Sabbath, but it is just any day you choose out of 7

    Votes: 4 21.1%

  • The Law of God still applies and so does the Sabbath but it is Sunday

    Votes: 4 21.1%

  • The Law of Moses was for Old covenant Israel only, and has been "fulfilled", and the sabbath was apa

    Votes: 4 21.1%

  • The Law of God still applies to us today and so does the 7th Day Sabbath

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    19
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Eric B

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Originally posted by Claudia_T:
Eric,

Jesus Himself said which commandments we are still supposed to keep:

Mk:10:17: And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Jesus didnt mention the ceremonial laws there because they werent in force anymore.

Jms:2:8: If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well

Romans 13:
8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Seventh Day Adventists know that the ceremonial laws are no longer in force, because Jesus, whom they pointed to, has already come.

Claudia
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And those are some of the Seven with the exception of "honor your mother and father" and "do not covet". These were repeated in the NT, because in principle, they are apart of the universal moral law, and yes, it is magnified. And since they were apart of both OT Law and NT principle, Christ could give them to this Israelite who did keep the Ten Commandments (along with the rest of the Law).
Still, as your comrade Bob even pointed out, the OT ceremonial laws were still in effect then, so sorry, that is not giving you your authority to keep the Ten only (plus a handpicked selection of some of the others).

Besides, the sabbath is more ceremonial anyway. It is not moral (our dealings with mankind), and is not like blasphemy or idolatry, where it is necessary for our relationship to God. Else, it would have been emphasized along with the others in places like Rom.13, instead of a generalization back to the foundational two commandments. (Which shows us the rest of the Law for us today is of the spirit, not the letter).
 
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gekko

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what's with this "SEVEN" biz-wiz?

i think that's just a bunch of balogne. that's right. rotten balogne.

why? well... there's ten commandments in exodus 20.

like - where do you get seven out of the bible?

are you saying that there's only seven commandments that we need to follow? or whats the jack man?
 
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Eric B

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Look 9 posts above. Complete with the scripture references. These are the original universal laws which were before the Ten, which were given to Israel only.
I know you may have never heard of this, but then once again, that's because the Church thas made the mistake of claiming to follow the Ten, but with one changed; or just nine of the Ten, or whichever other way they did it. People think the New Covenant is just a modification of the old, but it's not.
 
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Eric B

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Wow, "The Law of God still applies, and so does the Sabbath, but it is just any day you choose out of 7",
"The Law of God still applies and so does the Sabbath but it is Sunday"
"The Law of Moses was for Old covenant Israel only, and has been 'fulfilled', and the sabbath was apart of that law only, so is no longer binding"
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and "The Law of God still applies to us today and so does the 7th Day Sabbath" are all tied at 4;
"The Law is abolished and so the Sabbath no longer needs to be kept" is at 3, and "We need to keep the Law of God but the Sabbath has been omitted from it" is at 0!
 
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Claudia_T

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Originally posted by Eric B:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
Eric,

Jesus Himself said which commandments we are still supposed to keep:

Mk:10:17: And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Jesus didnt mention the ceremonial laws there because they werent in force anymore.

Jms:2:8: If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well

Romans 13:
8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Seventh Day Adventists know that the ceremonial laws are no longer in force, because Jesus, whom they pointed to, has already come.

Claudia
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And those are some of the Seven with the exception of "honor your mother and father" and "do not covet". These were repeated in the NT, because in principle, they are apart of the universal moral law, and yes, it is magnified. And since they were apart of both OT Law and NT principle, Christ could give them to this Israelite who did keep the Ten Commandments (along with the rest of the Law).
Still, as your comrade Bob even pointed out, the OT ceremonial laws were still in effect then, so sorry, that is not giving you your authority to keep the Ten only (plus a handpicked selection of some of the others).

Besides, the sabbath is more ceremonial anyway. It is not moral (our dealings with mankind), and is not like blasphemy or idolatry, where it is necessary for our relationship to God. Else, it would have been emphasized along with the others in places like Rom.13, instead of a generalization back to the foundational two commandments. (Which shows us the rest of the Law for us today is of the spirit, not the letter). </font>[/QUOTE]Eric,


I missed the entire thing about the seven laws, could you tell me what they are?

In Romans 13 it says "and if there be any other commandment" so that would include the Sabbath commandment, wouldnt it?


Claudia
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

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Originally posted by BobRyan:
Rom 14 "ONE man observes one day ABOVE another while another OBSERVES every day".

The one who OBSERVES one of the ceremonial Sabbaths in Lev 23 ABOVE another was the stronger one (if we contrast this order with the same order given for meats - vs vegetables-only in the previous Rom 14 example).

But the text never says "OBSERVES everday ALIKE". The term "ALIKE" is inserted!

In Christ,

Bob
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Interestingly the original hasn't got the whole phrase "He who observes the day observes it to the Lord"! The whole phrase is inserted!
Lekker to find something we agree on, Bob!
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

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By correctly leaving out this phrase it is confirmed what you have observed, bob, the one who eats meat and drinks wine (which you have not observed), are the 'strong'.
 
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