Sabbath

[RLBosley]

what scriptures do you present to offer ?

I truly must be an idiot because I am replying...

Here's mine:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003209&postcount=8
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003225&postcount=13

And others:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003171&postcount=5
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003245&postcount=16

You ought to also take heed to this one:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003212&postcount=10

Funny thing is, all these posts... are from THIS THREAD. Perhaps you should try reading YOUR OWN THREAD!

 

[HisWitness]

I truly must be an idiot because I am replying...

Here's mine:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003209&postcount=8
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003225&postcount=13

And others:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003171&postcount=5
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003245&postcount=16

You ought to also take heed to this one:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2003212&postcount=10

Funny thing is, all these posts... are from THIS THREAD. Perhaps you should try reading YOUR OWN THREAD!

Col.2-16--by NO means does it do away or change the sabbath day(7th day)
its just talking about man judging--Yah hadn't changed the Sabbath here!!!

you gave one scripture that only says let not man judge in the keeping of the Sabbaths---this is NOT Yah changing his original Sabbath(7th day)Saturday

 

[RLBosley]

Col.2-16--by NO means does it do away or change the sabbath day(7th day)
its just talking about man judging--Yah hadn't changed the Sabbath here!!!

you gave one scripture that only says let not man judge in the keeping of the Sabbaths---this is NOT Yah changing his original Sabbath(7th day)Saturday

OK

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[HisWitness]

so the actual point of this thread is--if man changed the Sabbath and NOT Yah--then our so called churches who meet on Sunday are in transgression against Yah and His Son Yeshua.

Just goes to show you 1 of many false traditions the church has been captured by....:love2::love2::love2:

 

[HisWitness]

and BTW the pagans who changed the Sabbath---changed it to Sunday to intertwine with their pagan god who they worshipped--The Sun god.

can you see why they changed it SUNday and SUN god---so that they could go to church also and appear goodly and upright--all the time still worshipping their Sun god--see how man changes and translate words and names to fit his agenda and praise to their gods ??????:love2::love2:

 

[Steadfast Fred]

And you continue to accuse all of us who worship God on the first day of the week of being unsaved.

Shame on you, accuser.

 

[HisWitness]

And you continue to accuse all of us who worship God on the first day of the week of being unsaved.

Shame on you, accuser.

adding words to my mouth with your vain babblings--everyone here can see I NEVER said such things.

Further more if you transgress Yah's commandments you are in Sin--plain as that.

Further more Jeshua says that those who Love him KEEPS HIS COMMANDMENTS.

 

[Fred's Wife]

The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ. JESUS is my Sabbath rest!

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hebrews 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

 

[HisWitness]

The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ. JESUS is my Sabbath rest!

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hebrews 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

You still find the apostles and saints holding the Sabbath still in the new testament after Yeshua's death,resurrection and ascension.

If they still followed his commandments in keeping the Sabbath--then what makes you think we can neglect it ?? 7th day not 1st as Yah appointed ?

I understand what you are saying--but the scriptures are not referring that Yah changed the Sabbath day from the 7th to the 1st--it still remains the 7th day---we have ceased from our OWN works as Yah did from his on the 7th day--is speaking outward works of evil and inward rest--our works were but dirty rags before Yah.this speaks of the inward Rest we have--but still outwardly holds us to keep the Sabbath(7th day)

we have ceased from the dirty rags and have rest in Yeshua

does by NO means mean that the outward keeping of his Sabbath which he had made HOLY unto HIMSELF should not still be obeyed as it was by his apostles and saints in the new testament after Yeshua's ascension.

Yah has never changed his Sabbath-----MAN has changed it.

No matter how much you try and justify 1st day worship--its COMPLETLY NOT scriptural to have Sabbath on the 1st day of the week


And yet we are still laboring to enter into his rest in another sense as we are in the flesh--but while we are yet laboring to enter his rest--we still must hold to Yah's Sabbath that he appointed unto us.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

The Baptist Faith and Message records the name of the Father as God, and the name of the Son as Jesus Christ.
you continue to play the roll of one who is not Baptistic in beliefsyet claim to be Baptist.

Sad the you are berating the people of God as you do while not keeping His Commandments yourself.

 

[HisWitness]

The Baptist Faith and Message records the name of the Father as God, and the name of the Son as Jesus Christ.
you continue to play the roll of one who is not Baptistic in beliefsyet claim to be Baptist.

Sad the you are berating the people of God as you do while not keeping His Commandments yourself.

Friend God is merely a TITLE---whose God are you talking about ?????
God of the Africans ??
God of the Zimbo ??
God of the Aztecs ??

see what im making example of here ??? God is a TITLE not a NAME.

Proper saying would be--JAH The Elohim(God) of Israel-his name is JAH !!!

and again the name jesus was NEVER known to the new testament saints--they NEVER called him by that name jesus--they called him Yeshua !!!

 

[DrJamesAch]

First of all, when was the Sabbath instituted?

"Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:" Nehemiah 9:13-14.

The Jews at the time described by Nehemiah were under GRACE BEFORE THE LAW.

Now notice in Exodus 12:16:

"And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you."

A convocation is an ASSEMBLY, a MEETING. The sabbath WHICH WAS MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH (Mark 2:27) was not the day that the Jews assembled, it was the FIRST DAY (Acts 20:7).

The sabbath also marks the 1000 year day of rest in the millenial kingdom. When the millenial kingdom is over in Revelation 21-22, the rest of eternity begins ON THE FIRST DAY AFTER THE SABBATH.

If 7DA's followed the rules of the Sabbath consistently, then WHY DO THEY ASSEMBLE on Saturday, when Exodus 16:29 says they were supposed to STAY IN THEIR PLACES?

"See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."

Furthermore, if the Christians were to keep the sabbath, then why is Paul walking around the river ON THE SABBATH? Acts 16:13

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."

No NT Gentile Christian kept the sabbath from Acts onward, nor were they ever commanded to, nor did the apostle Paul himself keep it (as shown above in Acts 16). When 7DA's claim that Col 2:16 doesn't include the 10 commandments, then just what sins and ordinances were blotted out? So God didn't blot out murder? Theft? Lying? Adultery? Just what got blotted out?

ANd notice in Col 2:16 it is sabbath DAYS. There are 4 of them. Heb 3:11, 18. Heb 4:1-3, Heb 4:4, and Heb 4:5-9. The last sabbath will be the rest of the earth for 1000 years. Isaiah 14:7-9 with Revelation 20:13.

The sabbath was set aside for ISRAEL, not Gentiles. Psalm 2, Psalm 97-99, , Isaiah chs 2, 65 and 66. The laws of the sabbath observance were done away in Christ in the NT. John 1:17, Galations 3:3,13, Acts 13:39, Romans 6:14, and all of 2 Corinthians ch 3.

Furthermore, you shouldn't be typing on the Sabbath! You should be resting from your debates :thumbs:

 

[Fred's Wife]

and again the name jesus was NEVER known to the new testament saints--they NEVER called him by that name jesus--they called him Yeshua !!!

How do you know that for a fact? Were you there? Did you hear the NT saints call Him Y'shua?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

In Acts 15, The Apostle Peter reminds the church that he himself witnessed the Gentile Converts receive the Holy Spirit through faith alone and not from keeping the Law. He declared that, since both Jews and Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit through faith, then the Law was not a means of salvation. To put Christians of any denomination under the yoke of the Law is equal to tempting God! All people, whether Jew or Gentile are saved by grace through faith. The Law cannot save anyone. If it could, Jesus would not have had to die. Attempting to put Christians under the yoke of Sabbath keeping is also tempting God. Keeping the Sabbath day was not a command for Gentile Converts, it was given to the children of Israel pre-cross.

The Holy Ghost thought it best not to require the Gentile Converts to keep the Mosaic Law. He has more authority concerning what God requires of us than you do.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

First of all, when was the Sabbath instituted?

"Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:" Nehemiah 9:13-14.

The Jews at the time described by Nehemiah were under GRACE BEFORE THE LAW.

Now notice in Exodus 12:16:

"And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you."

A convocation is an ASSEMBLY, a MEETING. The sabbath WHICH WAS MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH (Mark 2:27) was not the day that the Jews assembled, it was the FIRST DAY (Acts 20:7).

The sabbath also marks the 1000 year day of rest in the millenial kingdom. When the millenial kingdom is over in Revelation 21-22, the rest of eternity begins ON THE FIRST DAY AFTER THE SABBATH.

If 7DA's followed the rules of the Sabbath consistently, then WHY DO THEY ASSEMBLE on Saturday, when Exodus 16:29 says they were supposed to STAY IN THEIR PLACES?

"See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."

Furthermore, if the Christians were to keep the sabbath, then why is Paul walking around the river ON THE SABBATH? Acts 16:13

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."

No NT Gentile Christian kept the sabbath from Acts onward, nor were they ever commanded to, nor did the apostle Paul himself keep it (as shown above in Acts 16). When 7DA's claim that Col 2:16 doesn't include the 10 commandments, then just what sins and ordinances were blotted out? So God didn't blot out murder? Theft? Lying? Adultery? Just what got blotted out?

ANd notice in Col 2:16 it is sabbath DAYS. There are 4 of them. Heb 3:11, 18. Heb 4:1-3, Heb 4:4, and Heb 4:5-9. The last sabbath will be the rest of the earth for 1000 years. Isaiah 14:7-9 with Revelation 20:13.

The sabbath was set aside for ISRAEL, not Gentiles. Psalm 2, Psalm 97-99, , Isaiah chs 2, 65 and 66. The laws of the sabbath observance were done away in Christ in the NT. John 1:17, Galations 3:3,13, Acts 13:39, Romans 6:14, and all of 2 Corinthians ch 3.

Furthermore, you shouldn't be typing on the Sabbath! You should be resting from your debates :thumbs:

Amen!,

It is interesting how he/she is insisting we are breaking the Sabbath day, when it is quite obvious that he/she is guilty of breaking the Sabbath.

...

 

[HisWitness]

First of all, when was the Sabbath instituted?

"Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:" Nehemiah 9:13-14.

The Jews at the time described by Nehemiah were under GRACE BEFORE THE LAW.

Now notice in Exodus 12:16:

"And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you."

A convocation is an ASSEMBLY, a MEETING. The sabbath WHICH WAS MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH (Mark 2:27) was not the day that the Jews assembled, it was the FIRST DAY (Acts 20:7).

The sabbath also marks the 1000 year day of rest in the millenial kingdom. When the millenial kingdom is over in Revelation 21-22, the rest of eternity begins ON THE FIRST DAY AFTER THE SABBATH.

If 7DA's followed the rules of the Sabbath consistently, then WHY DO THEY ASSEMBLE on Saturday, when Exodus 16:29 says they were supposed to STAY IN THEIR PLACES?

"See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."

Furthermore, if the Christians were to keep the sabbath, then why is Paul walking around the river ON THE SABBATH? Acts 16:13

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."

No NT Gentile Christian kept the sabbath from Acts onward, nor were they ever commanded to, nor did the apostle Paul himself keep it (as shown above in Acts 16). When 7DA's claim that Col 2:16 doesn't include the 10 commandments, then just what sins and ordinances were blotted out? So God didn't blot out murder? Theft? Lying? Adultery? Just what got blotted out?

ANd notice in Col 2:16 it is sabbath DAYS. There are 4 of them. Heb 3:11, 18. Heb 4:1-3, Heb 4:4, and Heb 4:5-9. The last sabbath will be the rest of the earth for 1000 years. Isaiah 14:7-9 with Revelation 20:13.

The sabbath was set aside for ISRAEL, not Gentiles. Psalm 2, Psalm 97-99, , Isaiah chs 2, 65 and 66. The laws of the sabbath observance were done away in Christ in the NT. John 1:17, Galations 3:3,13, Acts 13:39, Romans 6:14, and all of 2 Corinthians ch 3.

Furthermore, you shouldn't be typing on the Sabbath! You should be resting from your debates :thumbs:

acts 20-7 just claims paul met together with them and broke bread-- you can break bread any day of the week--and then paul preached to them--do you limit preaching only to the Sabbath ??? you can preach any day of the week and gather together any day of the week ????

This verse does NOT claim about the Sabbath at all---you are just reading it into the verse

John 1-17
Sabbath was given before the law of moses---so that verse is not talking about what you say it is.

Gal 3-3 and 13

deals with the law--was it wrong to do the law ??? NO it was commanded
But the law could not bring Salvation
Besides Sabbath was instituted BEFORE the law came.

Acts 13-39 again you deal with the law--Sabbath was BEFORE the law

Romans 6-14
AGAIN you deal with law--Sabbath was BEFORE law

2nd Corinthians 3

AGAIN !!! you deal with law--Sabbath was BEFORE law

your saying we not under the law ???

can we go out and kill someone for the heck of it ??
can we slap our moms for telling us the right thing to do ??
can we sleep sleep with any woman/man we choose ??
can we go to the store and steal anything we want ??
can we covet what's another mans belongings ??

if what you are sayingis true--then we are NOT bound at ALL by any law--we can run rampant as we please and neglect Yah and his commandments??

 

[HisWitness]

In Acts 15, The Apostle Peter reminds the church that he himself witnessed the Gentile Converts receive the Holy Spirit through faith alone and not from keeping the Law. He declared that, since both Jews and Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit through faith, then the Law was not a means of salvation. To put Christians of any denomination under the yoke of the Law is equal to tempting God! All people, whether Jew or Gentile are saved by grace through faith. The Law cannot save anyone. If it could, Jesus would not have had to die. Attempting to put Christians under the yoke of Sabbath keeping is also tempting God. Keeping the Sabbath day was not a command for Gentile Converts, it was given to the children of Israel pre-cross.

The Holy Ghost thought it best not to require the Gentile Converts to keep the Mosaic Law. He has more authority concerning what God requires of us than you do.

were not under law according to you--go sleep with any man/wpman you so desire then ???

 

[HisWitness]

How do you know that for a fact? Were you there? Did you hear the NT saints call Him Y'shua?

I know for a fact because the letter J was NOT in Hebrew

why don't you just admit that you already know friend--why neglect it ??

 

[DrJamesAch]

Friend God is merely a TITLE---whose God are you talking about ?????
God of the Africans ??
God of the Zimbo ??
God of the Aztecs ??

see what im making example of here ??? God is a TITLE not a NAME.

Proper saying would be--JAH The Elohim(God) of Israel-his name is JAH !!!

and again the name jesus was NEVER known to the new testament saints--they NEVER called him by that name jesus--they called him Yeshua !!!

I don't know what part of this you fail to understand but if you are going to be technical about using God's name "appropriately" His name is יהוה If you are insisting on using Hebrew instead of English, then why are you using English transliterations of the name?

I was born and live in Israel most of my life, I am pretty sure I know a little bit more about Hebrew than you do. Your consistent butchering of the language is an insult.

 

[HisWitness]

I don't know what part of this you fail to understand but if you are going to be technical about using God's name "appropriately" His name is יהוה If you are insisting on using Hebrew instead of English, then why are you using English transliterations of the name?

I was born and live in Israel most of my life, I am pretty sure I know a little bit more about Hebrew than you do. Your consistent butchering of the language is an insult.

the way you approach every thread--you know more than anybody on these threads about EVERYTHING :laugh::laugh::laugh:

the point is why not use the Yeshua Hebrew name---that is far more accurate than jesus ???? the true Hebrew meaning and sound of the name of the Son of Yah has been completely destroyed through the name jesus.

being born in Israel-- you ought to very well know that Hebrew names had a very important SOUND and MEANING to them and in taking the English translation into jesus--it totally RIPS from the true SOUND and MEANING of the Hebrew name of Yeshua.