Salvation In the Millennial Kingdom?

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by DeafPosttrib
During Old Testament period, Jesus was still 100% God.

Response Posted by Me4Him
Jesus (God) was seen many times in the OT, "face to face" as the "Angel of the Lord/God", & "a Man of God", and people who saw him didn't die.

Yes, but he did not appear in the Glory of the Godhead or those who looked upon Him would have died.

DeafPostTrib is correct in his statement that Moses could not look upon the full Glory of God and live. The picture of Moses seeing God's backside is only a metaphor indicating that Moses saw only a part of the Glory of God. God is Spirit and does not have a backside.

Also I believe DeafPostTrib is correct when he states "when Christ comes in power and glory, when sinners of the world shall see Jesus' face, but they will die immediately." Those living Saints will receive glorified bodies immediately upon the return of Jesus Christ as shown by the Scripture I posted for Marcia.

 

[Me4Him]

Yes, but he did not appear in the Glory of the Godhead or those who looked upon Him would have died.

DeafPostTrib is correct in his statement that Moses could not look upon the full Glory of God and live. The picture of Moses seeing God's backside is only a metaphor indicating that Moses saw only a part of the Glory of God. God is Spirit and does not have a backside.

That's the whole point "God is a spirit' on which no man (flesh) can look and live, but they can see Jesus. (God in flesh)

Re 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: (not flesh) and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

This goes back to the question Jesus asked, "who do you say I am",

He's asking, Do you have the "vision" to see God the spirit or just a man???

Flesh sees flesh, Spirit sees spirit.

Also I believe DeafPostTrib is correct when he states "when Christ comes in power and glory, when sinners of the world shall see Jesus' face, but they will die immediately." Those living Saints will receive glorified bodies immediately upon the return of Jesus Christ as shown by the Scripture I posted for Marcia.

The "Wheat" alive at the time of Jesus's arrival are not "Changed" into "Glorifiied Bodies", they go into the MK to marry and repopulate the earth during the MK.

All "deceased Saints" return with Jesus and "Reign over the earth" with Jesus, they "DON'T MARRY".

 

[OldRegular]

The "Wheat" alive at the time of Jesus's arrival are not "Changed" into "Glorifiied Bodies", they go into the MK to marry and repopulate the earth during the MK.
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What Scripture can you use to support that nonsense? Scripture tells us:

Matthew 13:24-30
24. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25. But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28. He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This is a parable about the Kingdom of Heaven or as Mark and Luke would say, the Kingdom of God. The Apostle Paul tells us:

1 Corinthians 15:50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Me4Him,

You say:

The "Wheat" alive at the time of Jesus' arrival are not "Changed" into "Glorified Bodies", they go into the MK to marry and repopulate the earth during the MK.

You are error.

In Luke 20:34-36 says: "And Jesus answering said unto them, The Children of this world marry, and are given in marriage. But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain THAT WORLD(age), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage. Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

Christ tells us, in this present age('this world') since from the creation to present day, people are continue to get marry and produce children, because they are mortal and have flesh. But in the next age (world) to come follow at His coming, they will not have flesh or mortal, they shall become equal with angels, because they are called the children of God, being 'the children of resurrection'. Even, verse 36 says, "Neither can they die any more." Means that they will be immortal equal with angels, even be like Christ's.

In 1 Cor. 15:50-54 explaining clear when at the last trumpet sounds, all alive saints shall change into immortal being equal with angels. So, they will not have flesh and blood. All alive saints shall change into immortal be like Christ's. So, there will be NO saint to get marry again ever in the next age (Eternity) to come follow at Christ's coming.

Also, 1 Cor. 15:50 tells us, NO person with flesh and blood shall enter into the kingdom of God. That means, no sin shall be exist in the kingdom of God, because all unbelievers shall be thrown away into the lake of fire, all blood and flesh will be GONE. No more marry, no more produce children in the next age to come follow at Christ's coming.

I ask you question, WHO is the "wheat" of Matt. 13:30??

Will there be one suvrival tare remain after Christ's coming??

No. Christ tells us, that ALL every individual of 'tares' will be thrown away into everlasting fire. That means, no more sinners or unbelievers being exist in the kingdom of God beyond Christ's coming. Because Christ will removed "blood and flesh" away or destroyed. So, Christ shall put upon all alive believers into immortal, have new glorified bodies be like Christ, as they will be HOLY like Christ & angels in the next age to come.

That what Christ clear telling us what will be happen at His coming at the end of the world(age).

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[Marcia]

It does not say they are in mortal bodies does it? Scripture states that mortal man cannot look upon the Glory of God and live. I have posted Scripture above [and again] that shows what happens to believing mortals when Jesus Christ returns:

Philippians 3:20, 21
20. For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

These passages clearly show what happens to mortal believers when Jesus Christ returns: "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump". The verse you quoted from Revelation states nothing about the state of those who see the return of Jesus Christ, only that they shall witness it. It is incorrect to interpret a passage of Scripture in a way that contradicts Scripture that is more clear in its meaning.

These people in the verse I quoted (Matt 24:30) are alive but not happy to see Jesus; they are not believers. So are you saying unbelievers will instantly have their resurrected bodies when Jesus comes?

That seems to contradict Rev 20 where Jesus has already come (in Rev 19) and then there is the "first resurrection" for believers.

Rev. 20
5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
It does not say they are in mortal bodies does it? Scripture states that mortal man cannot look upon the Glory of God and live. I have posted Scripture above [and again] that shows what happens to believing mortals when Jesus Christ returns:

Philippians 3:20, 21
20. For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

These passages clearly show what happens to mortal believers when Jesus Christ returns: "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump". The verse you quoted from Revelation states nothing about the state of those who see the return of Jesus Christ, only that they shall witness it. It is incorrect to interpret a passage of Scripture in a way that contradicts Scripture that is more clear in its meaning.

Response Posted by Marcia
These people in the verse I quoted (Matt 24:30) are alive but not happy to see Jesus; they are not believers. So are you saying unbelievers will instantly have their resurrected bodies when Jesus comes?

That seems to contradict Rev 20 where Jesus has already come (in Rev 19) and then there is the "first resurrection" for believers.

Rev. 20
5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Matthew 24:30, 31
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I think it is a mistake to assume from verse 24 to state that all the people were unbelievers particularly since in verse 31 we read that He gathered His elect from the four winds. Furthermore, how will we as believers react when we first behold the Glory of God realizing how we have grieved Him with our sins.

Now to Revelation 20. If we take verse 20:5 at "face value" as Ryrie defines literal interpretation then the 1st resurrection refers to: The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.

Now who was the first resurrection? Jesus Christ! The Apostle Paul tells us:

Acts 26:23. That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:22-26
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

This Scripture tells us that: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,

We see no indication of 1000 years between the return of Jesus Christ after He returns.

Now I ask you: Who has part in the First Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ? Those who have part in the First Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ are the true believers. The Apostle Paul tells us:

Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

At this present time we are living in the millennium of Revelation. The souls of those Saints who have died are currently reigning with Jesus Christ as indicated in verse 20:4. The Book of Revelation emphasizes three numbers: 7 and multiples, 12 and multiples, and 10 and multiplesn. For example there are 7 scrolls, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials. There are 24 elders, a multiple of 12, and 144,000 of Israel, a multiple of 12 and 10. The millennium is a multiple of 10. It is not necessary to believe in a literal 1000 years, simply that it represents a certain definite time.

 

[Marcia]

I cannot ignore the several references to 1,000 years there in Revelation, and events transpiring before it and after it.

We have to agree to disagree.

 

[Allan]

I cannot ignore the several references to 1,000 years there in Revelation, and events transpiring before it and after it.

We have to agree to disagree.

Especially when it states the 1000 years as a specific time.

The ONLY time the term 1000 years is referenced as 'long period of time' is when the language ascerted such a need.

"a thousand years is as a day". This language gives us the reason to take it figuritively. The same as scripture says Jesus eyes were like fire.

However when the term 1000 years is used in Revelation it is a specific usage regarding a definate beginning and a definate end. Something a general term does not give us - such a long period of time. Things like 'and when the thousand years were finished" - a diffinate time that is known not by events but when the 'years' had reached their expressed limit. Even in the sybolic form of 'a thousand years is as a say' allows us to know that it is a literal 1000 years that is in mind that is being contrasted with one literal day. The emphasis is not a long period of time but that time has no meaning.

Just because a word is used figuratively in scripture does not mean we are to use it such in every instance.

 

[Me4Him]

I cannot ignore the several references to 1,000 years there in Revelation, and events transpiring before it and after it.

We have to agree to disagree.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,

The same "pattern of days" scripture describes the world's began, is the same "pattern" it describes for it's "END".

http://i32.tinypic.com/30a6dd1.jpg

 

[Me4Him]

Christ tells us, in this present age('this world') since from the creation to present day, people are continue to get marry and produce children, because they are mortal and have flesh. But in the next age (world) to come follow at His coming, they will not have flesh or mortal, they shall become equal with angels, because they are called the children of God, being 'the children of resurrection'. Even, verse 36 says, "Neither can they die any more." Means that they will be immortal equal with angels, even be like Christ's.


Will there be one suvrival tare remain after Christ's coming??

No. Christ tells us, that ALL every individual of 'tares' will be thrown away into everlasting fire. That means, no more sinners or unbelievers being exist in the kingdom of God beyond Christ's coming. Because Christ will removed "blood and flesh" away or destroyed. So, Christ shall put upon all alive believers into immortal, have new glorified bodies be like Christ, as they will be HOLY like Christ & angels in the next age to come.

That what Christ clear telling us what will be happen at His coming at the end of the world(age).

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

According to your interpretation, Satan is not bound up when Jesus returns and then turned loose agains,

if the MK is the "New Earth", as you claim, and Satan in bound up for a 1000 years, then turned loose it would have to be in/on the "new earth" which God said nothing that defiles will enter.

Re 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The GWT is not until after the 1000 years, and the New earth follows the GWT.

 

[Ed Edwards]

1 Corinthians 15:22-26
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

This Scripture tells us that: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,

We see no indication of 1000 years between the return of Jesus Christ after He returns.

Now I ask you: Who has part in the First Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ? Those who have part in the First Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ are the true believers. The Apostle Paul tells us:

Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

At this present time we are living in the millennium of Revelation.

I respectfully disagree. I cannot believe what I know about 4 Million slaves on Earth, 2 million starving every year, that this is the Millennial Messianic Kingdom.

//This Scripture tells us that: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,//

And you can't see the 1,000 years? I'll make it big and bold and red. It is the period after 'coming' The semicolon after 'firstfruits' has been 2009-0033 = 1,976-years that the Age of the Gentiles has been going on. Satan is roaming the earth seaking who he may devour; fortunately the Holy Spirit in us is restraining Satan and his hordes of Dark Spirits - if you want an a-mill spiritual take on the matter (then one has to deal with 2 Thess 2

 

[Ed Edwards]

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,

The same "pattern of days" scripture describes the world's began, is the same "pattern" it describes for it's "END".

http://i32.tinypic.com/30a6dd1.jpg

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

I respectfully disagree. I cannot believe what I know about 4 Million slaves on Earth, 2 million starving every year, that this is the Millennial Messianic Kingdom.

//This Scripture tells us that: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,//

And you can't see the 1,000 years? I'll make it big and bold and red. It is the period after 'coming' The semicolon after 'firstfruits' has been 2009-0033 = 1,976-years that the Age of the Gentiles has been going on. Satan is roaming the earth seaking who he may devour; fortunately the Holy Spirit in us is restraining Satan and his hordes of Dark Spirits - if you want an a-mill spiritual take on the matter (then one has to deal with 2 Thess 2

You are correct Ed. After Jesus Christ returns there will be a general resurrection of all the dead [John 5:28, 29]. It is a real stretch to make afterwards mean 1000 years. i believe the dirty word for that is eisegesis. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Me4Him]

You are correct Ed. After Jesus Christ returns there will be a general resurrection of all the dead [John 5:28, 29]. It is a real stretch to make afterwards mean 1000 years. i believe the dirty word for that is eisegesis.

Does that mean I can rip Chap 20 of Revelation out of the Bible????

You know, if we took everything out you disagreed with, I could memorize what was left in about ten minutes, maybe less.

 

[OldRegular]

Does that mean I can rip Chap 20 of Revelation out of the Bible????

If you don't understand it.

You know, if we took everything out you disagreed with, I could memorize what was left in about ten minutes, maybe less.

I don't know who we is. My beliefs are consistent with historic Baptist doctrine, which I have posted on this forum. Now I realize that dispensationalism is based on a new revelation supposedly given in tongues to one Margaret MacDonald, and picked up and propogated by John Darby, but perhaps the interpreter got it wrong. If I took everything out y'all disagreed with, I would not know the Scriptural basis of historic Baptists doctrine. I would have to start by removing John 5:28, 29.

 

[Marcia]

I respectfully disagree. I cannot believe what I know about 4 Million slaves on Earth, 2 million starving every year, that this is the Millennial Messianic Kingdom.

//This Scripture tells us that: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,//

And you can't see the 1,000 years? I'll make it big and bold and red. It is the period after 'coming' The semicolon after 'firstfruits' has been 2009-0033 = 1,976-years that the Age of the Gentiles has been going on. Satan is roaming the earth seaking who he may devour; fortunately the Holy Spirit in us is restraining Satan and his hordes of Dark Spirits - if you want an a-mill spiritual take on the matter (then one has to deal with 2 Thess 2

Preach it, Mr. Edwards! :thumbsup:

 

[OldRegular]

Ed
I am glad to find out what a semicolon means. You need to take out a patent, or is it copy write, on this new definition.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

I believe Is 2:2-4 and Zech Ch4 will answer your question about salvation during the so called millennium adequately.

 

[Me4Him]

I don't know who we is. My beliefs are consistent with historic Baptist doctrine, which I have posted on this forum. Now I realize that dispensationalism is based on a new revelation supposedly given in tongues to one Margaret MacDonald, and picked up and propogated by John Darby, but perhaps the interpreter got it wrong. If I took everything out y'all disagreed with, I would not know the Scriptural basis of historic Baptists doctrine. I would have to start by removing John 5:28, 29.

I've never read the "historic Baptist doctrine", I assume that is the "oldRegular doctrine", or MacDonald, or Darby,

So I can't comment on their "beliefs",

Scripture say:

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

"WHY" should I trust "MY SOUL" to the belief of other people when I can get the "TRUTH" straight from heaven???

The Bible (KJ) and the "Comforter" is all I've ever had/used to learn the scriptures.

You're barking up the wrong tree accusing me of adopting the belief of other people, I trust God, not man.

To understand the scripture, you have to "divide" the "TRINITY" into the "Father/Son", same as scripture divides the OT and NT.

There's a world of differences between the way things are done under the leadership of God/OT, and Jesus/NT.

Fail to recognize those differences you'll join Israel, "in the dark".

 

[OldRegular]

Response Posted by Me4Him
I've never read the "historic Baptist doctrine", I assume that is the "oldRegular doctrine", or MacDonald, or Darby,

So I can't comment on their "beliefs",

The following is the Statement of Faith of the first Southern Baptist Seminary founded by James Boyce; Basil Manly, Jr.; and John A. Broadus. In the next two posts I will present statements from the historic Baptist Confessions that deal with the resurrection and judgment.

When the original charter of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary was adopted in 1858, it contained the following statement which continues as a part of the “fundamental laws.”

I. The Scriptures
The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and are the only sufficient, certain and authoritative rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience.

II. God
There is but one God, the Maker, Preserver and Ruler of all things, having in and of Himself, all perfections, and being infinite in them all; and to Him all creatures owe the highest love, reverence and obedience.

III. The Trinity
God is revealed to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit each with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence or being.

IV. Providence
God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.

V. Election
Election is God’s eternal choice of some persons unto everlasting life—not because of foreseen merit in them, but of His mere mercy in Christ—in consequence of which choice they are called, justified and glorified.

VI. The Fall of Man
God originally created Man in His own image, and free from sin; but, through the temptation of Satan, he transgressed the command of God, and fell from his original holiness and righteousness; whereby his posterity inherit a nature corrupt and wholly opposed to God and His law, are under condemnation, and as soon as they are capable of moral action, become actual transgressors.

VII. The Mediator
Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is the divinely appointed mediator between God and man. Having taken upon Himself human nature, yet without sin, He perfectly fulfilled the law; suffered and died upon the cross for the salvation of sinners. He was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended to His Father, at whose right hand He ever liveth to make intercession for His people. He is the only Mediator, the Prophet, Priest and King of the Church, and Sovereign of the Universe.

VIII. Regeneration
Regeneration is a change of heart, wrought by the Holy Spirit, who quickeneth the dead in trespasses and sins enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the Word of God, and renewing their whole nature, so that they love and practice holiness. It is a work of God’s free and special grace alone.

IX. Repentance
Repentance is an evangelical grace, wherein a person being by the Holy Spirit, made sensible of the manifold evil of his sin, humbleth himself for it, with godly sorrow, detestation of it, and self-abhorrence, with a purpose and endeavor to walk before God so as to please Him in all things.

X. Faith
Saving faith is the belief, on God’s authority, of whatsoever is revealed in His Word concerning Christ; accepting and resting upon Him alone for justification and eternal life. It is wrought in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and is accompanied by all other saving graces, and leads to a life of holiness.

XI. Justification
Justification is God’s gracious and full acquittal of sinners, who believe in Christ, from all sin, through the satisfaction that Christ has made; not for anything wrought in them or done by them; but on account of the obedience and satisfaction of Christ, they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith.

XII. Sanctification
Those who have been regenerated are also sanctified by God’s word and Spirit dwelling in them. This sanctification is progressive through the supply of Divine strength, which all saints seek to obtain, pressing after a heavenly life in cordial obedience to all Christ’s commands.

XIII. Perseverance of the Saints
Those whom God hath accepted in the Beloved, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere to the end; and though they may fall through neglect and temptation, into sin, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, bring reproach on the Church, and temporal judgments on themselves, yet they shall be renewed again unto repentance, and be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.

XIV. The Church
The Lord Jesus is the head of the Church, which is composed of all His true disciples, and in Him is invested supremely all power for its government. According to His commandment, Christians are to associate themselves into particular societies or churches; and to each of these churches He hath given needful authority for administering that order, discipline and worship which He hath appointed. The regular officers of a Church are Bishops or Elders, and Deacons.

XV. Baptism
Baptism is an ordinance of the Lord Jesus, obligatory upon every believer, wherein he is immersed in water in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, as a sign of his fellowship with the death and resurrection of Christ, of remission of sins, and of Abstract of Principles giving himself up to God, to live and walk in newness of life. It is prerequisite to church fellowship, and to participation in the Lord’s Supper.

XVI. The Lord’s Supper
The Lord’s Supper is an ordinance of Jesus Christ, to be administered with the elements of bread and wine, and to be observed by His churches till the end of the world. It is in no sense a sacrifice, but is designed to commemorate His death, to confirm the faith and other graces of Christians, and to be a bond, pledge and renewal of their communion with Him, and of their church fellowship.

XVII. The Lord’s Day
The Lord’s Day is a Christian institution for regular observance, and should be employed in exercises of worship and spiritual devotion, both public and private, resting from worldly employments and amusements, works of necessity and mercy only excepted.

XVIII. Liberty of Conscience
God alone is Lord of the conscience; and He hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are in anything contrary to His word, or not contained in it. Civil magistrates being ordained of God, subjection in all lawful things commanded by them ought to be yielded by us in the Lord, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

XIX. The Resurrection
The bodies of men after death return to dust, but their spirits return immediately to God—the righteous to rest with Him; the wicked, to be reserved under darkness to the judgment. At the last day, the bodies of all the dead, both just and unjust, will be raised.

XX. The Judgment
God hath appointed a day, wherein He will judge the world by Jesus Christ, when every one shall receive according to his deeds; the wicked shall go into everlasting punishment; the righteous, into everlasting life.

Response Posted by Me4Him
Scripture say:

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

"WHY" should I trust "MY SOUL" to the belief of other people when I can get the "TRUTH" straight from heaven???

The Bible (KJ) and the "Comforter" is all I've ever had/used to learn the scriptures.

You're barking up the wrong tree accusing me of adopting the belief of other people, I trust God, not man.

First you did not get dispensationalism from Scripture. It is not there. That system of Bible interpretation was first introduced by John Darby of Plymouth England and popularized in this country by the Scofield Bible. That is historical fact. Furthermore it is the height of arrogance to state that you are the sole source of enlightenment by the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of Scripture. I have been accused of lacking humility on this forum but I have never made such a statement as you made above.

Response Posted by Me4Him
To understand the scripture, you have to "divide" the "TRINITY" into the "Father/Son", same as scripture divides the OT and NT.

There's a world of differences between the way things are done under the leadership of God/OT, and Jesus/NT.

Fail to recognize those differences you'll join Israel, "in the dark".

That is absolute foolishness. First you can't divide the Trinity into the Father and Son. Second Scripture teaches the following about God:

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

Now perhaps your god changes but my God does not.