Salvation In the Millennial Kingdom?

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
News Flash from me4Him! Israel is dead!

Yes Sir they are, and unless they chose to marry the "SON", they'll remain dead for "ETERNITY".

"NO MAN" comes to the Father except by "ME".

Jesus

Put that in your pipe and puff on it.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
News Flash from me4Him! Israel is dead!

Yes Sir they are, and unless they chose to marry the "SON", they'll remain dead for "ETERNITY".

"NO MAN" comes to the Father except by "ME".

Jesus

Put that in your pipe and puff on it.

</font>[/QUOTE]And all this time I thought you were a pre-trib dispensationalist!

 

[Faith alone]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
This Forum is composed of a large number of dispensationalists, perhaps a large majority. I ask a serious question which should be of paramount importance to these people, namely: How are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

Now whether I believe in an earthly millennial reign is not the issue. Dispensationalists should be able to answer the above question. So far no one has seriously attempted to do so. All they have done [and the all is ED ED and me4him] is perform an unbiblical dance around the other questions that I posed in the OP.

So I ask again a very serious question: How are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

OldRegular,

Let me point out that under the old covenant that people were saved by faith as they are now. During the kingdom age salvation will be based on faith - trusting in Christ - as it is now. But there will be some differences, of course. Some of the specifics will not be clear until we are in that kingdom period, just as the OT saints had a limited idea of being saved when the Messiah arrived the first time as well. What changes is the object of that trust. It becomes more and more educated.

Oh, and remember in Luke 16 when the rich man asked Abraham to have Lazarus return to earth to his brothers so that they would not end up there. Abraham told him that even if someone were to rise from the dead they would not believe. So though it may be hard to believe that people will not trust in Christ then (1/3rd of the population follows Satan in rebelling agaionst Christ), people can be very hard-headed. In that last dispensation God will make it clear that only trusting in God will save. He will be glorified and the angels will be amazed.

Now we understand that Jesus' sacrifice took the place of the OT sacrifice system, which was just a shadow of the real thing. In the millennium we will better understand Jesus, and questions such as sacrifices during the millenium will be clear.

That is derived from the OT, BTW - Ezekial. But a question that perhaps you ought to answer comes from this:
What happens if we do not accept a dispensational approach to prophecy?

Answer: An allegorical approach to interpreting scripture:

1 - No literal tribulation period
2 - no literal millenium period
3 - no literal antichrist
4 - no literal rapture
5 - Israel is not restored literally to the land
6 - The church is considered to be a spiritual Israel - so no literal Israel
7 - Even the resurrection is viewed as symbolic of the new birth by some.

And if you are an amillenialist, you take things even less literally.

So there are difficulties for us trying to sort things out - no doubt about that. But the alternatives have more issues, which is why I have taken a dispensationalist approach - I prefer to take God's Word literally, whenever possible.

What is often not mentioned in such discussions such as this one is just this: that other approaches to prophecy are significantly more allegorical in nature. Maybe their approach is right and the dispensationalist approach is wrong. But just pointing out the flaws in dispensationalism's view of prophecy doesn't fix the holes in your own system.

FA

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Faith alone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
This Forum is composed of a large number of dispensationalists, perhaps a large majority. I ask a serious question which should be of paramount importance to these people, namely: How are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

Now whether I believe in an earthly millennial reign is not the issue. Dispensationalists should be able to answer the above question. So far no one has seriously attempted to do so. All they have done [and the all is ED ED and me4him] is perform an unbiblical dance around the other questions that I posed in the OP.

So I ask again a very serious question: How are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

OldRegular,

What happens if we do not accept a dispensational approach to prophecy?

Answer: An allegorical approach to interpreting scripture:

1 - No literal tribulation period
2 - no literal millenium period
3 - no literal antichrist
4 - no literal rapture
5 - Israel is not restored literally to the land
6 - The church is considered to be a spiritual Israel - so no literal Israel
7 - Even the resurrection is viewed as symbolic of the new birth by some.

</font>[/QUOTE]I am not sure how you came up with your allegorical approach to interpretation but it is very imaginative. Since I don't use an allegorical approach I have no idea as to whether it is valid or not.

 

[Brother Bob]

When you say Spiritual Jews you mean the "remmant" correct? Who had kept all of His Ordinances, Commandments, Precepts and were found perfect before God. Also, were them who accepted Christ when He came to his own.

It took faith for them
It takes faith for us.

It took a circumcision for them of the flesh
It takes circumcision of the heart for us.

It took a sacrifice for them
It takes a scrifice for us.

In these we are similar.

 

[Me4Him]

Faith Alone

There's two periods of time (Dispensations) which I haven't studied, the Trib/Mill reign.

I won't be here during the trib, so it doesn't matter to me, what happens,

I'll be with Jesus during the Mill reign, so it doesn't matter to me, what happens.


The "here/now" (to the rapture) is all I've studied.

People rejected Jesus the last time he came to earth, and people will refuse to keep the yearly "Feast of Tabernacles" (Living with God) so evidently, there will be people who reject him the next time he comes.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

I'd suggest reading all of Zachariah, and Eze, Chapters 40-49, Isa, Chapters 2-4-10-11, will give you an idea of what the conditions will be during the Mill reign.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Faith alone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
This Forum is composed of a large number of dispensationalists, perhaps a large majority. I ask a serious question which should be of paramount importance to these people, namely: How are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

Now whether I believe in an earthly millennial reign is not the issue. Dispensationalists should be able to answer the above question. So far no one has seriously attempted to do so. All they have done [and the all is ED ED and me4him] is perform an unbiblical dance around the other questions that I posed in the OP.

So I ask again a very serious question: How are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

OldRegular,

Let me point out that under the old covenant that people were saved by faith as they are now. During the kingdom age salvation will be based on faith - trusting in Christ - as it is now. But there will be some differences, of course. Some of the specifics will not be clear until we are in that kingdom period, just as the OT saints had a limited idea of being saved when the Messiah arrived the first time as well. What changes is the object of that trust. It becomes more and more educated.

</font>[/QUOTE]Where is the place for faith? Dispensational theology claims that God the Son in all His Glory occupies David's throne in Jerusalem. Can there be any doubt of who He is during this millennial reign so where does faith enter in?

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
People rejected Jesus the last time he came to earth, and people will refuse to keep the yearly "Feast of Tabernacles" (Living with God) so evidently, there will be people who reject him the next time he comes.

The next time Jesus Christ comes there will be a general resurrection of all the dead, followed by the Great White Throne Judgment, Satan and his followers will be cast in the lake of fire, and all the redeemed will dwell with the Triune Godhead in the new heavens and earth throughout eternity. Any other viewpoint is simply false.

 

[James_Newman]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
James Newman:

He is no respect of persons and in no way will some Christians be cast out.
Sorry, I think you meant that there are people in the Church here on earth that are not saved they just have their names on the book. I agree they will be cast out. Now when I say Church I mean what we call our churches down here but there is only One True Church.

If He is no respecter of persons, how can He cast ANYONE out of His kingdom? I think you have misunderstood some principles in the bible. When God says He is no respecter of persons, He is speaking in regards to His impartial judgment.

1 Peter 1:17
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Colossians 3:25
25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

I don't know what you think makes one a member of your one true church, but it isn't works.

 

[Brother Bob]

James_Newman (quote)

There will be Christians who do not have their wedding garments on that will be cast out of the kingdom. The marriage supper will not take place until the bridegroom returns, so how can the church be married to Jesus?

But Sir:
You are the one who said He would cast out Christians from his Kingdom, not me. I simply said that we would all be accepted in the same, not big I's or little you's in Heaven. You do err!!

All Christians have on the wedding garment.

 

[OldRegular]

And we are all heirs and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

 

[ituttut]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
Mortal people are supposedly born and die during the so-called millennial period. These mortal people coexist on earth with Saints in resurrected immortal bodies!

When Jesus Christ came the first time He took upon Himself the form of man. Faith in Jesus Christ as God Incarnate and Savior was and is essential.

If Jesus Christ returns to establish the so-called millennial kingdom He will return in the full Glory of the Godhead. Can mortal man look upon Jesus Christ in all His Glory and live?

If Jesus Christ is sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem in all the Glory of the Godhead for everyone to see what place does faith have?

The dispensationalists claim that bloody sacrifices will be reinstituted in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. For what purpose?

So I am curious, how are people saved in the so-called millennial kingdom?

Awfully lot here to read, getting in at this late date. But if no one as yet informed you, this is Jesus Christ in His glorified “BODY” that returns after the rapture, and He can be seen by the mortals. The rapture is over, and now Christ Jesus can be revealed to humans. He is now seated beside God His Father who cannot be seen as no one could live if they saw God. Christ in what you present has now moved to a position that mortal man can see him.

You may not understand it all, and none of us do, but why do you keep questioning the Word of God? What kind of faith is it that you have? Believe Him; Trust Him, and Try Him. Jump and He will catch You.

Hope this will help you on your way to further understand scripture as you continue to study His Word. It helps to ask in the name of Jesus Christ for the Holy Spirit to begin teaching you His interpretation of The Word of God.

In your salvation is doubt, but it is up to you to remove that doubt. Jesus says “handle me”; see for yourself. I am real – you can see me, and you can touch me He tells us. I believe Him, and so look forward to being just like Him. If you and I were in eyesight of each other we could see each other. Today I am with Him, but I can’t see Him for He is in the realm of the glory of God.
Christian faith, ituttut

 

[Brother Bob]

I have always wondered why Jesus didn't talk about all these things that some post on here that is going to take place in some great future date. My Bible said The angel will set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the sand and declare by Him that sits on the Throne that time will be no more. Time, Time will be no more but judgement will take place and we will receive our just reward whether it be good or bad.

There has been more books written about the 1000 years than any other thing in the Bible but yet the Bible speaks of it once. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised!!

Jesus said, be ye ready for I will come at an hour ye think not, and most of what Christ himself said was you will either be on the left or on the right. I want to be on the right myself and why you all are going through that 1000 years, I want to be in a mansion up in Heaven. Amen

 

[James_Newman]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
James_Newman (quote)

There will be Christians who do not have their wedding garments on that will be cast out of the kingdom. The marriage supper will not take place until the bridegroom returns, so how can the church be married to Jesus?

But Sir:
You are the one who said He would cast out Christians from his Kingdom, not me. I simply said that we would all be accepted in the same, not big I's or little you's in Heaven. You do err!!

All Christians have on the wedding garment.

Please give me the scripture that says we will all be accepted in the kingdom.

2 Corinthians 5:9-10
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Mel Miller]

OldRegular,

How have you supported your claim that every view
other than the Amil view is "false"? And why have
you concluded no one will be saved during the
Millennial Reign of Christ?

You wrote:
_______________________________________________
"Where is the place for faith? Dispensational theology claims that God the Son in all His Glory occupies David's throne in Jerusalem. Can there be any doubt of who He is during this millennial reign so where does faith enter in?
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Jesus gave the criteria by which men will join
either the sheep nations or the goat nations
during the Millennium. There is no need for
"faith"; but only for obedience in worshiping Christ and for treating the "least of His brothers" as they should treat Him.
______________________________________________

The sheep nations that come out of the 1000-
year reign of Christ will "inherit the earthly
kingdom for all eternity". Matt.25:32-34.

There is absolutely no way you can disprove
the future, literal, personal reign of Christ
over "all the nations" following His return.

I urge that until you can show evidence for your claim that any view other than the Amil view is "false", you need to reserve your judgment.
Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

[James_Newman]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
And we are all heirs and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

We are all heirs, but we have no inheritance?

Matthew 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[Brother Bob]

James:

I don't understand your reasoning. I have never heard anyone say that some of the Christians will be cast out of the Kingdom. It just don't make any sense at all. Sorry, I don't mean to be hateful, you will either be saved or lost and that is the conclusion of the whole matter.

How is it possible to be an heir and receive no inheirtance? You mean one of my children even though they will be heirs to what I have, yet they will receive nothing?

 

[James_Newman]

I understand why you don't understand what I'm talking about. The devil has done everything he can to hide this truth from Christians. I didn't get it, but its there in the bible from beginning to end. It is not as simple as you're saved or you're not. Saved folks are going to be judged based on what we did for the Lord after we got saved.

The kingdom is not eternity. There is a 1000 year time period that is a reward for faithful Christians, who will get to reign with Christ. There is an obvious division between this kingdom period and the eternal last day when Satan is released from his prison and allowed to go out to try to deceive the nations. The last day will begin at the great white throne, at which time all who believe will be raised up and enter into eternity with the Lord.

 

[Grasshopper]

I'd suggest reading all of Zachariah, and Eze, Chapters 40-49, Isa, Chapters 2-4-10-11, will give you an idea of what the conditions will be during the Mill reign.

Finally, we get an answer to the question of how one is saved during the Millennium. The answer is found in EZE 40-47 according to dispies. Apparently the blood of Jesus is no longer sufficient for a sin offering. No, we must go back to the types and shadows of the Old Covenant. Remember, the services the writer of Hebrews says God has no pleasure in:

Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure .
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second .

Yes, take away the first so that He may establish the second, then of course go back to the first. Is this about how it is? Well, a “literal” reading of Eze 40-47 tells us offerings are made for sin:


Eze 40:39 And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Eze 42:13 Then said he unto me, The north chambers and the south chambers, which are before the separate place, they be holy chambers, where the priests that approach unto the LORD shall eat the most holy things: there shall they lay the most holy things, and the meat offering, and the sin offering , and the trespass offering; for the place is holy.

Eze 43:19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering .

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Eze 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
Eze 45:19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering , and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.

Eze 46:20 Then said he unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering , where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people.

There is your answer Old Regular, back to the types and shadows for sin offerings. Sounds like a great time doesn’t it?

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Me4Him:
People rejected Jesus the last time he came to earth, and people will refuse to keep the yearly "Feast of Tabernacles" (Living with God) so evidently, there will be people who reject him the next time he comes.

The next time Jesus Christ comes there will be a general resurrection of all the dead, followed by the Great White Throne Judgment, Satan and his followers will be cast in the lake of fire, and all the redeemed will dwell with the Triune Godhead in the new heavens and earth throughout eternity. Any other viewpoint is simply false. </font>[/QUOTE]When Jesus returns the Angel separate the "Wheat/Tares", casting the tares into hell to await the GWT, which is after the "Seventh day of Rest" is over, Satan is bound up during the 7th day, after the MK is over, Satan is turned loose for a "short season", then the GWT, in which all in hell will be resurrected to stand Judgment.

People only go into hell, none comes out until the GWT.