Sample form to apply for religious exemption from covid vax

[JonC]

I guess I don't understand. I'm not specifying MMR.

we have never had an mRNA vaccine for anything. This is the first. The mRNA technology has been discovered and developed, but this is the first vaccine ... which turns out to really be a gene therapy deal (I didn't say DNA, there's a difference)

MLV --- Modified Live Virus. That's a TYPE of vaccine. As my paper discusses, it's one of a few different TYPES of vaccine we've used successfully for a long time.

mRNA ... that's all new AFA the TYPE of vaccine (candidate).

There are 3 possible responses the immune system can make to any injection which seeks to be a vaccine. Another illustration I considered after writing my paper ... "Bob" Bob is a muscle cell in the arm. skeletal muscle. the cv jab dumps the lipid or nucleid acid solution onto "Bob."

The mRNA process then unwinds the helix to rewrite part of Bob's instructions ... he's now to make this specific spike protein ... a MAGA red ball cap. T Cell, Jack, cruising around and sees Bob's changed activity ...

What does the Jack do? Recognize Bob and his new ball cap (the spike protein), scoffs at the cap, but it's Bob's ... let Bob be Bob (immune tolerance)? Does Jack rip that ball cap off Bob's noggin and stomp it into the ground (attack the spike protein only)?

OR ... does Jack attack Bob?

There's been no way to predict the response. AFAIK, there's STILL no way and we're just rolling the dice every time we take one of these cv jabs.

There's been a significant concern that even if "Jack's" response is the desired (attack the spike protein only) ... that with this continual production, Jack gets pre-occupied with the spike proteins ... and a run of the mill adenovirus enters the fray undetected. "comm jammed" Jack. This fall will be the first "winter" (Vitamin D Deficiency season) we'll have had with a substantial number of cv jabbed people. Perhaps this question can be answered ... is "comm jamming" an issue? Do we see an increase in other diseases within the cv jabbed? If so, why?

We've been working through this event quite successfully DESPITE the government's orders on lockdowns/masks/etc ... but now we're gonna add the variable of "cv jabbed" and see what happens. Nearing year 3 with this pestilence when it should have been defeated within 12 months.

I just ordered me some alternative treatment meds to have on hand if needed. I've been blessed to be without a need to date, but the number of cv jabbed people influencing a higher rate of mutation may eventually make covid a problem again.

You mean this has been the first commercially avaliable mRNA vaccine. And I agree. There has to be a first before there can be a second.

But this is not the first mRNA vaccine, so let's not resend we do not understand how mRNA vaccines work.

There is not continued production of spiked proteins. I'm sure if somebody hot the flu the sane day they got a vovid vaccination things would be rough. But we know (i.e., it is a fact) that mRNA "burns up" within 4 days and tge spiked proteins on the surface of the cell affected by the mRNA is gone within 4 weeks.

So I get that your body is producing antibodies to address the vaccine. But it is the same with any vacvine - that's the point.

We were not working through the pandemic successfully.

But let's look at your logic.

Do you believe we should not have used a mmr vaccine (just let measles, mumps and rubella run its course)?

 

[Two Wings]

Do you believe we should not have used a mmr vaccine

Yes, this is the first mRNA vaccine ever. For humans or animals. The reason I've included so much from the Veterinarian experience is because THAT is where the experience IS for this TYPE of vaccine to this CLASS of virus.

what's with you and the MMR? If the MMR vaxes had been rushed through research/trial/production as an all new TYPE of vaccine ... YES, I'd have been hesitant. It wasn't my call as I wasn't an adult when these were produced. But they weren't an all new vax type, just a new virus to build immunity (not just protection).

Yes ... we did and have been getting through this mess successfully ... we're talking about it aren't we? DESPITE the govt lockdowns et al. Those exacerbated the problem.

You have a misunderstanding of what's happening in your body right now. You have those spike proteins being produced right now. in the first few weeks post cv vax, you were exhaling them their number was so large. If you were in a confined room with another, you were causing damage to their respiratory system.

One of the unanswered questions was how long the spike protein production would last once it started. They didn't know then. As I've offered, based upon this presumptive "need" for boosters inside a year of initial (series) ... it could BE the answer is less than 12 months but that wasn't known on 14 Dec 20. Pfizer didn't know. The FDA didn't know. Vets didn't know.

 

[JonC]

Yes, this is the first mRNA vaccine ever. For humans or animals. The reason I've included so much from the Veterinarian experience is because THAT is where the experience IS for this TYPE of vaccine to this CLASS of virus.

what's with you and the MMR? If the MMR vaxes had been rushed through research/trial/production as an all new TYPE of vaccine ... YES, I'd have been hesitant. It wasn't my call as I wasn't an adult when these were produced. But they weren't an all new vax type, just a new virus to build immunity (not just protection).

Yes ... we did and have been getting through this mess successfully ... we're talking about it aren't we? DESPITE the govt lockdowns et al. Those exacerbated the problem.

You have a misunderstanding of what's happening in your body right now. You have those spike proteins being produced right now. in the first few weeks post cv vax, you were exhaling them their number was so large. If you were in a confined room with another, you were causing damage to their respiratory system.

One of the unanswered questions was how long the spike protein production would last once it started. They didn't know then. As I've offered, based upon this presumptive "need" for boosters inside a year of initial (series) ... it could BE the answer is less than 12 months but that wasn't known on 14 Dec 20. Pfizer didn't know. The FDA didn't know. Vets didn't know.

Interesting.

If I understand you correctly you are denying that ModeRNA Technologies developed mRNA vacvines for the influenza virus, Zika virus, and rabies virus using lipid-encapsulated or naked forms of sequence-optimized mRNA demonstrating the feasibility for in vivo delivery of mRNA.

The first mRNA used in animals was 1990.

The first mRNA for rabies was used in humans was 2013.

A mRNA vaccine was developed for Ebola as well.

These were not released commercially (they were not needed).

The covid mRNA vaccines are the first commercially used.

I understand that you might dismiss this as a conspiracy, but the problem with your belief is this was prior to 2018.

This is why I say you guys deny science - not merely statistics or data but that things actually happened. You are flat-earthers just with a different science.

 

[Two Wings]

This is why I say you guys deny science

you have a lot of presumption ... or perhaps projection.
What's this "you guys" nonsense. I've been here barely a month.

I will admit I'm not the oracle of all things, OK?

You admitted this was the first mRNA widely distributed. So STATISTICALLY it has the greatest exposure of adverse effects, by definition.

did any of the current cv jabs being used in the United States progress through any animal trial?

There were unaddressed, let alone unanswered, questions posed by Veterinarians from their own experience working with this technology.

You seem to want to cast everything which challenges "all ahead full" as a conspiracy.

Flat earther ... really dude?

and they let you be a moderator?

 

[JonC]

you have a lot of presumption ... or perhaps projection.
What's this "you guys" nonsense. I've been here barely a month.

I will admit I'm not the oracle of all things, OK?

You admitted this was the first mRNA widely distributed. So STATISTICALLY it has the greatest exposure of adverse effects, by definition.

did any of the current cv jabs being used in the United States progress through any animal trial?

There were unaddressed, let alone unanswered, questions posed by Veterinarians from their own experience working with this technology.

You seem to want to cast everything which challenges "all ahead full" as a conspiracy.

Flat earther ... really dude?

and they let you be a moderator?

Read what I said. Flat-earthers with a different science.

Flat-earthers deny the earth is flat.

In a way you guys are worse.

You deny that in 1990 mRNA a vacvine were used in animals and in 2013 a mRNA vaccine for rabies was used in humans. You deny mRNA vaccine was developed for eboli.

How are you different from flat-earthers except for the particular facts you deny?

 

[Revmitchell]

I can't spit on you. I'm sitting on my patio and you are where ever you are (which is not here).

I am asking you why you always try so hard to play victim. Maybe if you thought about what was posted instead of reading with your feelings you would not constantly make the same mistakes.

most likely one of the most dishonest post you’ve made yet. And that’s saying a lot

 

[Revmitchell]

you have a lot of presumption ... or perhaps projection.
What's this "you guys" nonsense. I've been here barely a month.

I will admit I'm not the oracle of all things, OK?

You admitted this was the first mRNA widely distributed. So STATISTICALLY it has the greatest exposure of adverse effects, by definition.

did any of the current cv jabs being used in the United States progress through any animal trial?

There were unaddressed, let alone unanswered, questions posed by Veterinarians from their own experience working with this technology.

You seem to want to cast everything which challenges "all ahead full" as a conspiracy.

Flat earther ... really dude?

and they let you be a moderator?

it’s projection

 

[JonC]

most likely one of the most dishonest post you’ve made yet. And that’s saying a lot

No. It was an honest post. Don't forget I get to see your reports.

 

[JonC]

Yes, this is the first mRNA vaccine ever. For humans or animals.

This is what I was addressing. It is flat out wrong.

 

[Two Wings]

Read what I said. Like a flat-earther with a different science.

Flat-earthers deny the earth is flat.

In a way you guys are worse.

You deny that in 1990 mRNA a vacvine were used in animals and in 2013 a mRNA vaccine for rabies was used in humans. You deny mRNA vaccine was developed for eboli.

How are you different from flat-earthers except for the particular facts you deny?

adios dude.

you just push and push.

preach about being a witness ... then slander.

peace out.

 

[JonC]

adios dude.

you just push and push.

preach about being a witness ... then slander.

peace out.

It is not slander.

I have dealt with flat-earthers before. They are, for the most part, very intelligent people. They, like you, just reject accepted science. And they, unlike you, have reasonable "scienyific" theories to back up their beliefs.

You simply deny that mRNA vaccinations existed, for animals or humans, before covid.

The only conspiracy theory that is remotely possible (using "possible" very lightly) is that covid was a planned attack and in 1990 they started faking mRNA vaccines so there would be a history when they released the covid vaccine.

Do you think it was the Freemasons? Another member suggested this was planned long ago by the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

 

[Reformed1689]

You are flat-earthers just with a different science.

Read what I said. Like a flat-earther with a different science.

No, you called us flat earthers. Be truthful please.

 

[Reformed1689]

It is not slander.

I have dealt with flat-earthers before. They are, for the most part, very intelligent people. They, like you, just reject accepted science. And they, unlike you, have reasonable "scienyific" theories to back up their beliefs.

You simply deny that mRNA vaccinations existed, for animals or humans, before covid.

The only conspiracy theory that is remotely possible (using "possible" very lightly) is that covid was a planned attack and in 1990 they started faking mRNA vaccines so there would be a history when they released the covid vaccine.

Do you think it was the Freemasons? Another member suggested this was planned long ago by the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

Jon do you accept macro evolution?

 

[Revmitchell]

No. It was an honest post. Don't forget I get to see your reports.

And??? I imagine you saw the reports when you called me evil.

 

[JonC]

And??? I imagine you saw the reports when you called me evil.

Yet I have not called you evil. But you never were one to let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yet I have not called you evil. But you never were one to let facts get in the way of a good story.

have you no shame? God is watching

 

[JonC]

have you no shame? God is watching

I don't know what you are talking about. I never called you evil. I don't even know you.

You bring up God in one breath and slander me in another. Do you not at least fear God?

You resort to flat out making stuff up? That's how you "argue" your position....slander the opposing person???

 

[OnlyaSinner]

It is not slander.

I have dealt with flat-earthers before. They are, for the most part, very intelligent people. They, like you, just reject accepted science. And they, unlike you, have reasonable "scienyific" theories to back up their beliefs.

You simply deny that mRNA vaccinations existed, for animals or humans, before covid.

The only conspiracy theory that is remotely possible (using "possible" very lightly) is that covid was a planned attack and in 1990 they started faking mRNA vaccines so there would be a history when they released the covid vaccine.

Do you think it was the Freemasons? Another member suggested this was planned long ago by the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

Obviously IMO, "Flat-earther" is a euphemism for one who denies what is considered to be accepted science. There are probably many evolutionists who would apply that label to me as I deny macro-evolution. (I fully accept natural selection, which is dependent on the genetic material that God has created, not the mutations on which macro-evolution is based.)

Given that mRNA became used against rabies starting in 2013, I wonder if it soon replaced earlier technology. There must be many thousands/tens of thousands of people treated for rabies exposure since 2013, providing a long-term and large scale record of efficacy and side effects. It would be far fewer than the number of COVID vaccinations of course, but 7-8 years with, say, 50,000 cases should reveal 99.99% of potential/actual side effects.

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't know what you are talking about. I never called you evil. I don't even know you.

You bring up God in one breath and slander me in another. Do you not at least fear God?

You resort to flat out making stuff up? That's how you "argue" your position....slander the opposing person???

you did call me evil. It was over this same topic. I reported 3 times. You know you did. Evil, fools, flat earthers, these are names you call people who disagree with you. They are all pejoratives, you do it to demonize and then try to act like it’s not when you get called out. People on this board are tired of it. Good is watching

 

[JonC]

Obviously IMO, "Flat-earther" is a euphemism for one who denies what is considered to be accepted science. There are probably many evolutionists who would apply that label to me as I deny macro-evolution. (I fully accept natural selection, which is dependent on the genetic material that God has created, not the mutations on which macro-evolution is based.)

Given that mRNA became used against rabies starting in 2013, I wonder if it soon replaced earlier technology. There must be many thousands/tens of thousands of people treated for rabies exposure since 2013, providing a long-term and large scale record of efficacy and side effects. It would be far fewer than the number of COVID vaccinations of course, but 7-8 years with, say, 50,000 cases should reveal 99.99% of potential/actual side effects.

I am, of course, using "flat earther" as a term to indicate one denies science. The reason I refer the comparison is it can explain what is otherwise missed (that, while not all who reject a vacvine are denying the science behind vaccines, the anti-covid-vaxers are).

I would not apply this to those who reject evolution simply because evolution remains a theory. If evolution was proven then I would agree the flat-earther comparison would apply.

With the 2013 mRNA vaccine, while it was used and the vaccine was proven effective, it was never made commercially avaliable. The reason was need (a new vaccine us not needed when an old vacvine remains effective). It was simply not worth going through the process of approval for commercial use. The reason it was produced was for science, not to meet a need.