We are both repeating ourselves.
I am trying to understand how you believe the covid vaccination is different from any other vaccine.
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I am trying to understand how you believe the covid vaccination is different from any other vaccine.
The difference in then and now is ... no one supported a mandate.
now there is a measurable percentage of folks including those in "decider" roles who support such foolishness.
Enter the response to the foolishness. Some of it becomes it's own foolishness, but rather than focus on the response, focus on the cause.
There is no public health reason to mandate these cv jabs.
now there is a measurable percentage of folks including those in "decider" roles who support such foolishness.
Enter the response to the foolishness. Some of it becomes it's own foolishness, but rather than focus on the response, focus on the cause.
There is no public health reason to mandate these cv jabs.
Not of any value. This assumes what you're trying to prove.
don’t you get tired of these personal attackes
you're assuming I'm trying to prove anything.
perhaps this is the errant exercise.
for purposes of discussion about the validity of public policy regarding public health as it is potentially impacted by the covid19 disease from the SARS-Cov2 virus ....
using the cause of death as a basis upon which to formulate these polices, it is necessary to understand whether this data actually supports the policy.
When we say 750K Americans have died DUE/OF/FROM the disease of covid19 ... that's not really true. As the link which references the CDC's own data from a year ago (and which was never implemented as a correction in the "official count") only 6% of that count was actually due to covid19 vice a different cause but the deceased had apparently contracted covid19.
If this doesn't change one's outlook on the POLICY regarding public health as influenced by the impact of the disease, well, then we simply aren't pursuing the truth but rather our own feelings/desires.
Surely y'all hashed this in Sept '20?
This is not a difference. It is, in fact, not true. I doubt this vacvine would have been such a divisive issue if it were not for an election.
Obvious differences between the mmr vaccine and the mRNA vaccines are:
1. The mmr vaccines are for children (not for adults).
2. The mmr vacvines were developed using a feral cell line while the nRNA vaccines were not (the vaccine was tested against a fetal cell line, but this has nothing to do with the actual vaccine).
3. Obvious differences include the type of vaccine, virus, etc.
How are they similar?
1. People were mandating the mmr vaccine as well.
2. People were rejecting the mmr vaccine due to health concerns.
3. People think the mmr vaccine is unproven, that natural immunity would be the better option.
4. Both the mmr vaccine and the covid vaccine are less than 100% effective, but both provide functional immunity without sterilizing immunity.
I am asking you why you are not combating the mmr vaccine.
The reason is I believe your reasoning is political, not scientific.
Do you get tired of trying do hard to be a victim that you feel everything is some type of attack?
so you haven't read the paper I offered.
Just say so.
I object to these cv jabs at this time because they've not been tested as the MLVs have been. As one example ... polio vax had 1.4 million participants in the human trials (which followed animal trials) and it lasted 14 or 15 months ... BEFORE it was authorized for the administration to the general public.
This was an MLV TYPE vaccine. It joined a host of already in use MLV TYPE vaccines. So the TYPE wasn't presenting new concerns of safety and efficacy.
Veterinarians have been working to develop a SAFE AND EFFECTIVE mRNA vax for coronavirus in animals for almost 20 years. In at least 5 different species, they've killed a LOT of animals with their vax candidates.
Suddenly ... with a very abbreviated human trial, skipping the animal trials ... we now have THREE safe and effective brand new TYPE of vaccine for a coronavirus we've never had before despite trying really hard?
My concerns for this vax are documented and they remain valid.
THEN there is the supposed NEED. The last time I checked, 99.8% survival rate which included the elderly/major comorbidities.
Based on the NEED, I have rejected the flu vaccine since the mid-90s, too. Based upon the current proportion of probability, I will be getting the shingles vax series very soon.
So I am NOT anti-vax ... but I will not accept something I have researched and found to be unnecessary at best for me.
All science like.
Politically .... I voted for Trump's re-election and had no intention of taking Warp Speed's product even before the POTUS election was stolen. Unlike the current POTUS/VEEP who railed against the cv jabs ... until post election. Political much?
Don’t spit on me and then try to convince me it’s raining
I could not open the paper. I read what you posted.
I am asking you what is different about the vaccine (other than it us mRNA) when compared to the mmr vaccine?
I can't spit on you. I'm sitting on my patio and you are where ever you are (which is not here).
I am asking you why you always try so hard to play victim. Maybe if you thought about what was posted instead of reading with your feelings you would not constantly make the same mistakes.
really? it's just a pdf file.
well ... anyhow. beeps/squeeks are not my wheel house.
I hit the major points above.
it's a brand new TYPE of vaccine which has questions which need answering. You are in the real human trial. Congrats.
Isn't that enough?
It isn't enough to know the difficulties Veterinarians have had in developing one of these vaxes ... but suddenly we have 3 for humans "good to go?"
It isn't enough to perform a risk analysis for one's self without being declared a menace to society? To be declared a leper? ninety-nine-point-eight percent.
you opted to take it. Good for you. Perhaps you could afford the rest of us the freedom to choose without all the presumption that the decision for you is the right decision for everyone else.
It is a pdf file but for some reason I get a warning message. I'll try again.
I promise I'm not trying to be an irritant with it.
It was something with my settings. I opened it and realized I have read it. I'm on my phone now, guess that is why.
You do know that BioTech developed the Pfizer virus and that the mRNA technology has been around for over a decade (in terms of vaccines), I assume.
But I am not talking about the development of mRNA vacvines (we have non-mRNA covid vaccines as well). I am not even talking about efficiency based on studies vs in a population.
I am asking why you view the covid vaccines differently from the mmr vaccine.
I guess I don't understand. I'm not specifying MMR.
we have never had an mRNA vaccine for anything. This is the first. The mRNA technology has been discovered and developed, but this is the first vaccine ... which turns out to really be a gene therapy deal (I didn't say DNA, there's a difference)
MLV --- Modified Live Virus. That's a TYPE of vaccine. As my paper discusses, it's one of a few different TYPES of vaccine we've used successfully for a long time.
mRNA ... that's all new AFA the TYPE of vaccine (candidate).
There are 3 possible responses the immune system can make to any injection which seeks to be a vaccine. Another illustration I considered after writing my paper ... "Bob" Bob is a muscle cell in the arm. skeletal muscle. the cv jab dumps the lipid or nucleid acid solution onto "Bob."
The mRNA process then unwinds the helix to rewrite part of Bob's instructions ... he's now to make this specific spike protein ... a MAGA red ball cap. T Cell, Jack, cruising around and sees Bob's changed activity ...
What does the Jack do? Recognize Bob and his new ball cap (the spike protein), scoffs at the cap, but it's Bob's ... let Bob be Bob (immune tolerance)? Does Jack rip that ball cap off Bob's noggin and stomp it into the ground (attack the spike protein only)?
OR ... does Jack attack Bob?
There's been no way to predict the response. AFAIK, there's STILL no way and we're just rolling the dice every time we take one of these cv jabs.
There's been a significant concern that even if "Jack's" response is the desired (attack the spike protein only) ... that with this continual production, Jack gets pre-occupied with the spike proteins ... and a run of the mill adenovirus enters the fray undetected. "comm jammed" Jack. This fall will be the first "winter" (Vitamin D Deficiency season) we'll have had with a substantial number of cv jabbed people. Perhaps this question can be answered ... is "comm jamming" an issue? Do we see an increase in other diseases within the cv jabbed? If so, why?
We've been working through this event quite successfully DESPITE the government's orders on lockdowns/masks/etc ... but now we're gonna add the variable of "cv jabbed" and see what happens. Nearing year 3 with this pestilence when it should have been defeated within 12 months.
I just ordered me some alternative treatment meds to have on hand if needed. I've been blessed to be without a need to date, but the number of cv jabbed people influencing a higher rate of mutation may eventually make covid a problem again.
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Reformed1689
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Exactly the point @JonC misses. This is not like other vaccines so whether or not we have religious objections to others should not come into the conversation at all.
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