Knowledge. I know more about Covid vax than any other.
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Sample form to apply for religious exemption from covid vax
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Reformed1689
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Yes and that is arrogant and disgusting.
Reformed1689
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No, I do not think those are mutually exclusive. They might be in Jon's world but don't project that on everyone else.
It is really simple.
Accepted science is the covid vaccinations are safe and effective. A sincerely held belief contrary to science is not an acceptable reason for exemption. A preference not to be vaccinated is not a reason for exemption. The belief has to be a sincerely held religious belief, practice or observation.
This is why it is difficult to obtain religious exemptions. People are asking entities that accept the science behind the vaccination for a religious exemption based not on actual faith but on the nature of the vaccine.
And all a business has to do is show providing religious exemption creates an undue hardship. SRNS did this by showing it was an undue hardship to test exempted employees.
Here is the guidence:
Accepted science is the covid vaccinations are safe and effective. A sincerely held belief contrary to science is not an acceptable reason for exemption. A preference not to be vaccinated is not a reason for exemption. The belief has to be a sincerely held religious belief, practice or observation.
This is why it is difficult to obtain religious exemptions. People are asking entities that accept the science behind the vaccination for a religious exemption based not on actual faith but on the nature of the vaccine.
And all a business has to do is show providing religious exemption creates an undue hardship. SRNS did this by showing it was an undue hardship to test exempted employees.
Here is the guidence:
- Employees and applicants must inform their employers if they seek an exception to an employer’s COVID-19 vaccine requirement due to a sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance.
- Title VII requires employers to consider requests for religious accommodations but does not protect social, political, or economic views, or personal preferences of employees who seek exceptions to a COVID-19 vaccination requirement.
- Employers that demonstrate “undue hardship” are not required to accommodate an employee’s request for a religious accommodation.
so again ...
are you withholding your charitable giving tax deduction?
this is actually rhetorical, but acknowledging the challenge would be appropriate vice ignoring it.
EDIT ... mea culpa ... I missed your response.
does your church pay taxes on its receipts?
The point is ... we are in this world but not of it ... and we are to abide by the laws. There's nothing duplicitous about declaring a religious experience (in the vernacular of the government) which has been bought/paid-for in the blood of servicemen for the last couple of centuries establishing "the great experiment."
You have the freedom to project your guidance and understanding upon others because of those very sacrifices.
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The so called “ accepted science” is flawed because it will not tolerate dissension. Hence the flaw and therefore cannot be real, true, or credible science.
but it IS accurate.
Accepted doesn't mean accurate. So I'll credit Jon with proper verbiage. The problem is he's using proper verbiage while basing his opinion upon less than accurate science.
I do not understand what you are getting at. You are not making sense.
I did acknowledge your question the first time.
I asked:
What do you mean I am exploiting what God has told me to give to reduce my rendering to Caesar?
And you ignored.
So I will once again answer -
Am I withholding my charitable giving tax deduction?
No. I do not report my offerings to church or any charitable giving on my taxes. It is not the governments business what I give and I am not required to provide that information when doing my taxes.
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What do you mean by your accusation that I am exploiting what God has told me to give to reduce my rendering to Caesar?
yes, I edited my comment above with an apology for missing your response.
My point is ... the government has a law which allows for the deduction of charitable giving to reduce the tax liability.
Do you think taking that deduction is exploiting God as you have claimed happens with a Christian who objects to the cv vax mandate and seeks to have honored a "religious exemption" (using the State's terminology)
Exactly. I do not mean that the science will always be accepted but when dealing with legitimate exemptions we are at the mercy of whatever science is accepted at that time.
At one time it was accepted that diseases were caused by smells. Now we know otherwise.
I guess we could also say prevailing thought.
It could be. Like the vaccine what one does depends on their conscious. But there is an expectation among the World that Christians give to charity for tax purposes.
I think it is best, if one takes tax incentives, to keep that private. Actually, I believe giving should remain between the government and God.
and the prevailing thought as you understand it and clearly promote ... balks at recognizing an exemption from a cv vax mandate when there are legitimate reasons to object to this cv vax AND, based upon anti-discrimination laws, have an expectation there will not be discrimination based upon the accommodation to the "religious exemption."
I think this boils down to what entity in the legal world do you think is sovereign ... the State or the individual.
The design by the Founders was quite clear ... what our government has become is quite another.
I'm not asking for revelation of tax returns ... I'm asking philosophically ... is it wrong ... unchristian ... exploiting God ... to lawfully claim charitable deduction on your tax return. Not how much you actually contributed.
Sure, you can CHOOSE to withhold that information and pay more in taxes ... but does entering that value of giving on a tax return make one a "bad Christian" as you've alleged with this cv vax mandate & religious exemption?
I disagree here. Religious exemptions should be given based on real religious exemptions (which would exclude personal opinions about the safety of the vaccine itself). But there remains the problem that even with religious exemptions the exempted cannot contribute to an unsafe environment (for the exempted and others).
I believe it is wrong. That is why I do not list charitable gifts. We do not give for earthly rewards.
Is it a poor witness? If known, perhaps.
e.g. contract and spread the disease.
Yet ... there's no statisticall difference in the cv vaxed and non cv vaxed for this. So what's unsafe about it?
you're condemning a lot of folks with this. I'd be very very careful.
If you're saying "don't give to have a charitable deduction" ... sure ... but to say you can't file a tax return in accordance with the law including your charitable giving as you chose (from the govt's perspective) ... led by God (in the full picture) ...
that's just wrong and you're setting yourself up to BE God in that judgement.
what's become another challenge in the honest seeking of information is the changing definitions by the CDC ...
what is a vaccine?
if someone dies within 2 weeks of the cv jab, they are considered "unvaccinated."
I mean ... what's that all about?
you know what it's about. Obsfucation.
a year ago someone who took 5 slugs from a 12 gauge shotgun to the chest ... died OF covid because they tested positive for the virus ... only 6% of the covid deaths were ACTUALLY caused by covid and the VAAAST majority of THAT number were over 70.
not to "write off" the elderly, but this demonstrates, repeatedly, the virus is not a significant threat to those who are relatively young and relatively healthy.
God gave us an excellent immune system ... and a noodle which we should be using to HELP our immune system, not comm jam it with trillions of self-generated spike proteins.
what is a vaccine?
if someone dies within 2 weeks of the cv jab, they are considered "unvaccinated."
I mean ... what's that all about?
you know what it's about. Obsfucation.
a year ago someone who took 5 slugs from a 12 gauge shotgun to the chest ... died OF covid because they tested positive for the virus ... only 6% of the covid deaths were ACTUALLY caused by covid and the VAAAST majority of THAT number were over 70.
not to "write off" the elderly, but this demonstrates, repeatedly, the virus is not a significant threat to those who are relatively young and relatively healthy.
God gave us an excellent immune system ... and a noodle which we should be using to HELP our immune system, not comm jam it with trillions of self-generated spike proteins.
Again, we are back to accepted science. The vaccinated are less likely to contract covid, therefore less likely to spread covid.
A vaccine is "a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."
Those who are partly vaccinated are typically counted as partially vaccinated. Fully vaccinated is 2 weeks after final shot.
We are talking about exemptions. Ypu don't get to use your own definitions but have to stick with the science.
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