Satan and sin

Ezek 28:16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. (NIV)

And because of trading merchandise he was cast out of heaven, give me a break. The city of Tyre was a ship trading port.

There is no doubt about it that Isaiah 14, which speaks of "Lucifer," is referring to the king of Babylon. In fact, the name "Lucifer" does not even appear in the Hebrew text. The Hebrew behind this translation consists of three words meaning "Helel son of Shachar", which is probably a name for the morning star (Venus), and thus is translated as "son of the morning star" by most translations. The translation of "Lucifer" was carried over from the reading in Jerome's Latin Vulgate, not the Hebrew text.

 

Bob, the Holy Spirit by definition, is a spirit. Is He a person? Yes or No.

 

Yes, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, but still I haven't seen it, have you. I have seen the effects of it.

If the Holy Spirit is a person, is it confined to one place?

BBob,

 

Yes, the Holy Spirit is a person.
You haven't seen him. But you haven't seen the wind or electricity either. You have seen the effects of the Spirit of God, and you have seen the effects of Satan and his demons. Satan also is a person, just as the Holy Spirit is a person. You can see neither one though both are persons. Why call one spirit a person and not the other?

The only reason the Holy Spirit is everywhere is because He is God. Satan imitates God. He pretends. He is ubitquitous. It seems as if he is everywhere as he uses his legions of demons to make it seem as if he is everywhere. However, the Holy Spirit is God, the third person of the triune Godhead, and is indeed everywhere. Omnipresence is one of His attributes.

Satan lied to Adam and Eve. Can a force lie? No.
Annanias lied to the Holy Spirit. Do you lie to a force? No.
In both instances the fact that one lies and the other is lied to, prove that both are persons.

Was Jesus confined to one place?

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
--God is never confined to one place.

 

Satan is not confined to one place either. He is everywhere. I can't think of a place he is not, except the Kingdom of God.

 

If he's not in the Kingdom...he's not everywhere

 

Only God is omnipresent. If you believe your statement to be true, then you believe in more than one God. Is Satan God? Does he have the same attributes as God? No!!
He can only be at one place at one time.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Michael contended with the devil (Satan, in this case).
Michael could only be one place.
Satan could only be one place.
They both were in one place, in one battle, contending for the body of Moses. Neither one of them could be everywhere. Satan is simply a fallen angel.

 

Job 1:6-7 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Here also we see that Satan cannot be everywhere by his own admission. When God asked him where he had been. He admitted that he had been walking up and down in (the earth), and from going to and fro in the earth.
Satan had to move physically to get around.

 

You did see the "except" didn't you Web......

BBob

 

Prove it...........

 

He is one fast mover..............

 

What do I need to prove.
I quoted Scripture from the book of Jude.
Don't you believe it?

 

Since he was created outside time, unlike us, we don't know how he is able to move within and outside of time...but he is most definately not omnipresent. Only God holds that title.

 

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
--He can be bound, as a person can be bound.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
--He can be freed as a person can be freed.

1 Thessalonians 2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
--The Holy Spirit directs and guides; Satan hinders. Both are persons.

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
--In this case it was Satan influencing Annanias to lie to the Holy Spirit.

 

Again, while satan was influencing Annanias and his wife, you really believe no one on earth was not being tempted at the exact same time. Come on DHK; you know better than that. It sure would be a better world, if only one person could be tempted by satan one at a time.

If that were true, when we saw someone being tempted, we would jump straight up and down, knowing that we were free from satan for the time being. Nonsense.


BBob,

 

If he is outside of time, what would hinder him from being everywhere? He does have demons you know and I am sure has enough to do the job he wants done.

When Jesus was here they said this one has a devil, that one has a devil, you have a devil. He does not seemed to be hindered to me at all now, but will be one day.

The following scripture seems to say, he can be everywhere at once.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

BBob,

 

God is omnipresent...satan is not. This is a title reserved for God alone. If satan is omnipresent, as DHK pointed out, he would also be god.

 

You do err not knowing the Scriptures.
If it was actually Satan that was tempting Annanias, then the rest of the world at that time would be subject to the temptations of the demons of Satan, not by Satan himself. Satan is not God. He is not omnipresent. Why are you determined to give him the status of deity.

 

I am not, he has enough demons to carry out his wishes.

I do not err, you do. We are no different than Paul, who had a thorn in his flesh, "the messenger of satan". We also have that thorn, to buffet us. Keeps us praying to God.

Scripture says that satan is a liar and the father of it. Do you actually believe just one lie is told at a time throughout the whole world.

Eph. 6:
10: Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


BBob,

 

Do you believe Satan can be the deciever of the whole world at one time.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

so, he uses demons, evil spirits, he still gets the job done.

I know he is not Omnipresence, but he must be "multipresence".


Bbob,