I appreciate the civility.The commentaries vary and it could refer to a variety of things. It could refer to Christ’s temptation, persecution of Himself and those that follow Him, His arrest, torture and death are possibilities. It could refer to the assault of demonic forces upon the church. It could refer to all of it.
The arguments have shifted in this thread from “Satan murdered Jesus” to people under the influence of Satan murdered Jesus to sinful people murdered Jesus and since sin entered into the world because of Satan then Satan murdered Jesus.
I do not believe Satan personally murdered Jesus. Scripture says “godless men” and also Jewish leaders. Both Romans and Jewish leaders killed Jesus.
I have acknowledged Satan’s influence of Judas in the betrayal. Jesus says the desire of the Jewish leaders to kill Him comes from them doing the will of Satan, their father, though I don’t believe they were Satan worshippers that received direct instructions from Satan to kill Him. Rather, this was an influence based in their sinful nature.
This whole debate, imo, is centered on views of the atonement, of which we disagree. The posts have gotten personal and are now not edifying to anyone, imo.
I have answered directly and have been civil.
peace to you
I am not sure that the difference is Penal Substitution Theory vs Christus Victor (although it does matter). I suggest instead that it depends on how far one takes Penal Substitution Theory (how far it influences other ideas).
Here is why:
John Gill interpreted the passage to mean that Satan caused Christ death (physical death) but in so doing brought about his own end.
John Piper interpreted the Serpent striking the heel as Satan causing Christ death, but Christ disarming Satan, having victory over him.
Timothy Keller interpreted this as Christ winning victory over Satan but in the process Satan causing Christ's death
John MacArthur calls the passage the protoevangelium (the first gospel), that Satan will cause Christ's death, but in so doing Christ will crush Satan's power. He presents this bruising of the heel as the crucifixion and Christ's death by the power of Satan, but the crushing of Satan a direct result of Christ's death (I disagree, as I'd place it at the resurrection).
John Gill, John Piper, John MacArthur and Tim Keller are all Calvinists who affirm Penal Substitution Theory.
So I agree that there are tie-ins, probably inseparable.
But since we all believe this was the predetermined plan of God, those four mentioned are not necessarily being inconsistent to say Satan murdered Christ.