SBTS Chapel: Avoid Labels

[HankD]

LOL!

It's good to be persistent when you actually have some proof. Yet you have nothing, and in that you will rest.

The Doctrines of Grace in an Unexpected Place

HankD

 

[Rippon]

The Doctrines of Grace in an Unexpected Place

HankD

Hank, focus.

You had claimed that the Church of England is hyper-Calvinistic.

I challenged you to provide proof. You had nothing.

Now you have turned your attention to The Brethren, otherwise known as the Plymouth Brethren. That's my original Church background.

Make up your mind about what group you are assigning hyper-Calvinism to.

Besides, holding to the Doctrines of Grace does not mean one is hyper-Calvinistic. You do know that, don't you?

 

[HankD]

Hank, focus.

You had claimed that the Church of England is hyper-Calvinistic.

Wrong, these were my words : "It's been known to happen with Anglicans loyal to the CoE"

Then I provided a writing, with an example of a hyper-calvinist loyal to the CoE

Robert Hawker (1753 – 1827) Vicar of Charles Church. Hawker was the most prominent hyper-calvinist in the Church of England ... though he himself remained in the Church of England

Notice the phrase IN the Church of England - He was not Brethren.
Notice the phrase hyper-calvinist not "doctrines of grace".
Notice the phrase "though he himself remained in the Church of England"..

Anyone who is interested can read the article and decide for themselves.

HankD

 

[Rippon]

Wrong, these were my words : "It's been known to happen with Anglicans loyal to the CoE"

Then I provided a writing, with an example of a hyper-calvinist loyal to the CoE



Notice the phrase IN the Church of England - He was not Brethren.
Notice the phrase hyper-calvinist not "doctrines of grace".
Notice the phrase "though he himself remained in the Church of England"..

What link was it that said that? I read everything in your links and didn't come across that.

Let's go back and trace things out.

Agedman put in a form of a question --“Aren't Anglicans hyper-Calvinistic?"

You said :"It's been known to happen with Anglicans loyal to the CoE."

I challenged your view.

You gave a link to the Reformed Episcopal Church.

There was no mention of hyper-Calvinism or Robert Hawker.

You posted a link What are the differences between Calvinism and Anglicanism.

Again, there was no mention of hyper-Calvinism or Robert Hawker.

You menetioned a book The Doctrines of Grace in an Unexpected Place, which dealt with "The Brethren”。

Again, no mention of hyper-Calvinism and Robert Hawker. Did you read the book? Are either of those items in the book if you indeed read it?

One person, Robert Hawker, who died in 1827, is your sole example. He was known as a high Calvinist, but you are stretching things to say he was a H-C.

Besides, you had claimed that Anglicans held to hyper-Calvinism at times. One lone flimsy example does not bode well for your claim.

Once more, do you know the differences between hyper-Calvinism and Calvinism?

 

[HankD]

What link was it that said that? I read everything in your links and didn't come across that.

Let's go back and trace things out.

Agedman put in a form of a question --“Aren't Anglicans hyper-Calvinistic?"

You said :"It's been known to happen with Anglicans loyal to the CoE."

I challenged your view.

You gave a link to the Reformed Episcopal Church.

There was no mention of hyper-Calvinism or Robert Hawker.

You posted a link What are the differences between Calvinism and Anglicanism.

Again, there was no mention of hyper-Calvinism or Robert Hawker.

You menetioned a book The Doctrines of Grace in an Unexpected Place, which dealt with "The Brethren”。

Again, no mention of hyper-Calvinism and Robert Hawker. Did you read the book? Are either of those items in the book if you indeed read it?

One person, Robert Hawker, who died in 1827, is your sole example. He was known as a high Calvinist, but you are stretching things to say he was a H-C.

Besides, you had claimed that Anglicans held to hyper-Calvinism at times. One lone flimsy example does not bode well for your claim.

Once more, do you know the differences between hyper-Calvinism and Calvinism?

No, I'm not going through it again.

HankD

 

[Greektim]

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[Yeshua1]

Hank, focus.

You had claimed that the Church of England is hyper-Calvinistic.

I challenged you to provide proof. You had nothing.

Now you have turned your attention to The Brethren, otherwise known as the Plymouth Brethren. That's my original Church background.

Make up your mind about what group you are assigning hyper-Calvinism to.

Besides, holding to the Doctrines of Grace does not mean one is hyper-Calvinistic. You do know that, don't you?

That is true, but many do think that just holding to the 5 point points do qualify one as Hyper Cal

 

[Jerome]

HIJACKED

Thank you, enough with this hyper-Calvinism rabbit trail!

My OP noted that the SBTS chapel speaker counseled seminarians to avoid labels as they preached, particularly the labels "Anglican, Calvinist, Amillennial."

As I noted, it is understandable why many SBTS seminarians would need be counseled against overtly advocating their Calvinism and Amillennialism as they go out into the churches. The Founders Ministries website also advises their guys to "Avoid terms such as Calvinism, reformed, doctrines of grace, particular redemption, etc".

But why would advocacy of Anglicanism need to be warned against at SBTS?

I see that Timothy George's school is now training Anglicans:

www.beesondivinity.com/deans-blog/beeson-divinity-and-the-anglican-church-in-north-america-forge-partnership

"In past years Beeson has attracted a growing number of Anglican students," George said.

Is that happening at Southern too?

 

[Revmitchell]

My OP noted that the SBTS chapel speaker counseled seminarians to avoid labels as they preached, particularly the labels "Anglican, Calvinist, Amillennial."

As I noted, it is understandable why many SBTS seminarians would need be counseled against overtly advocating their Calvinism and Amillennialism as they go out into the churches. The Founders Ministries website also advises their guys to "Avoid terms such as Calvinism, reformed, doctrines of grace, particular redemption, etc".

That is just evil

 

[Rippon]

That is true, but many do think that just holding to the 5 point points do qualify one as Hyper Cal

Just folks on the John R. Rice train such as David Cloud.

 

[Greektim]

That is just evil

I'm inclined to agree... if the idea is that we need to get our guys w/ reformed doctrine in the non-reformed churches. I like to think better of these people and think there is a different reason for this.

 

[Yeshua1]

Just folks on the John R. Rice train such as David Cloud.

And those such as Norman Geisler!

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm inclined to agree... if the idea is that we need to get our guys w/ reformed doctrine in the non-reformed churches. I like to think better of these people and think there is a different reason for this.

Christianity demands transparency. Anyone that may have a Soteriology differing from the church in which they are prospective pastor or staff should automatically know they need to be upfront about that. Intentionally withholding that info or even failing to have a conversation about Soteriology in the interview process shows either incompetence or dishonesty.

 

[Greektim]

Christianity demands transparency. Anyone that may have a Soteriology differing from the church in which they are prospective pastor or staff should automatically know they need to be upfront about that. Intentionally withholding that info or even failing to have a conversation about Soteriology in the interview process shows either incompetence or dishonesty.

Sometimes that's not even enough.

 

[Revmitchell]

Sometimes that's not even enough.

I don't know what that means.

 

[Reynolds]

Labels can be helpful when they correctly comunicate ideas. When they are used to impose negative pajoratives then they are misused and unhelpful.

So, I shouldn't call a Nazi a "Nazi"? You confusing me here...

 

[Yeshua1]

So, I shouldn't call a Nazi a "Nazi"? You confusing me here...

Or a heretic a heretic, such as full blown preterism?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Labels can be helpful when they correctly comunicate ideas. When they are used to impose negative pajoratives then they are misused and unhelpful.

Like “papists” for example

 

[Covenanter]

Like “papists” for example

As you define yourself as "Earth, wind & fire" you obviously have an element missing .....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

As you define yourself as "Earth, wind & fire" you obviously have an element missing .....

Of course, “beer”