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Scattering Ashes of a loved one.

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Jim1999

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Can you show me one scripture that says to drive a motorcar? Just one, please..Plenty talk about driving an ass, an ox, but not one a motorcar, yet, I should think you don't think twice of driving your motorcar.

No one answered my statement before about the body decaying in short order, so why does it matter..burial and rot in time; cremation..and ashes in a few hours? James 3:4 (MV)

Cheers,

Jim
 
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Helen

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Jim1999 said:
Can you show me one scripture that says to drive a motorcar? Just one, please..Plenty talk about driving an ass, an ox, but not one a motorcar, yet, I should think you don't think twice of driving your motorcar. (MV)

Cheers,

Jim
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Don't shoot, but weren't the early believers all in one Accord? I'm hoping they took turns.... (didn't find a smilie with a shield, or I would have used it)
 
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Diggin in da Word

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This thread is not about motorcars. You may find a thread about motorcars in the sports section. We are talking cremation vs burial here.

Isn't cremating willfully destroying a body?

True, the body will decay over time, but it is not man destroying that body in that case, but natural decay.

Are we disobeying God's Holy Word if we willfully destroy a body?
 
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Ed Edwards

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What becomes of those Christian Martyrs where
the Pagan tormentors burned their bodies as a
postmortem insult -- will they be in the resurrection
of the just (AKA: First Resurreciton)?
 
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Jim1999

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We are talking about using the invention of a crematorium; a modern invention. I love modernity. That is the relation of the motorcar and the buggy...we do evolve you know as do customs.

If the physical body is so important, what do we do with those soldiers who were blown into oblivion in wars? Don't be so silly and make religion look assinine!!!!

Cheers,

Jim
 
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Brother Bob

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Why do we have so many funerals and burials, I wonder. Is the vast majority wrong and a few right or could it be that we do have scripture for burial but none for cremation except where God condemned it in Amos: 2:2
 
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Ed Edwards

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Joshua Rhodes said:
Oops. I wasn't going to post in here again. I was reading along and posted before I remembered. Sorry. :BangHead:
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You are forgiven, Brother Joshua Rhodes.
We just don't need your LEVEL HEADEDness here:tonofbricks:
 
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Ed Edwards

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Brother Bob speaking of cremation: // ... God condemned it in Amos: 2:2."

Amos 2:1-2 (KJV1611 Edition):
Thus sayth the Lord, For three transgressions of Moab,
and for foure, I wil not turne away the punishment thereof,
because hee burnt the bones of the King of Edom into lime.
2 But I will send a fire vpon Moab, and it shall deuoure
the palaces of Kerioth, and Moab shall die with tumult,
with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:

Uh, er, Moab is damned because they burn the
King of Edom (against the King's wishes)
NOT Moab is damned because they
creamated the King of Edom. This verse doesn't condemn
me being creamated, if I wish.
 
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Marcia

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Helen said:
If cremation is a problem because it is 'deliberate destruction of the body', then why don't Christians, at least, demand mummification?
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I think there is a big difference between deliberate destruction of the body and the natural degeneration of the body after death, a process we can't really control. It's not that the body needs to be preserved, it's just that being buried, when we have the choice, can be a sign of the knowledge that we will be bodily resurrected.

I'm not saying the Bible mandates it or that it is a sin to cremate, but am just trying to point out the reasons for burial over cremation using the Bible and biblical principles.

I also think the burial done at the time was in opposition to the burning of bodies practiced by some pagans. Cremation, I beileve, has been traditionally not practiced by Jews, at least the Orthodox Jews.

It just seems that the Gnostic/New Age denigration of the body has been creeping into the church sometimes.
 
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Brother Bob

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Brother Bob speaking of cremation: // ... God condemned it in Amos: 2:2."

Amos 2:1-2 (KJV1611 Edition):
Thus sayth the Lord, For three transgressions of Moab,
and for foure, I wil not turne away the punishment thereof,
because hee burnt the bones of the King of Edom into lime.
2 But I will send a fire vpon Moab, and it shall deuoure
the palaces of Kerioth, and Moab shall die with tumult,
with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:

Uh, er, Moab is damned because they burn the
King of Edom (against the King's wishes)
NOT Moab is damned because they
creamated the King of Edom. This verse doesn't condemn
me being creamated, if I wish.
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Seems it must of been against the Lord's wishes also, especially burning his bones into lime. Wonder why it didn't just say they killed him? Wonder why the Lord was disturbed they had actually burned his bones instead of just they have killed him? I wonder!

Maybe you are right but for some reason the Lord felt it necessary to tell us about they had burned his bones into lime.

Wonder why we have to try to hunt to find where they actually burned bodies in the scriptures? Wonder why all the scriptures on a burial if they had the knowledge way back when, I wonder?
 
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Jim1999

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Well, the Jews also bury the same day or at most the day after death. Why do Christians et al go three days before burial?

The chemical process of the body breaking down takes but a matter of hours to start. Modernism also uses a chemical to preserve the body for viewing purposes. So, the blood is all drained from the body........that's a lot of body already gone.

We are running out of land for burials in a lot of places, such as the UK and Holland...I think Holland has a ten year's in the ground policy and then the ground is reused.

Our local cemetary is almost full, but we have a crypt for the ashes with name plates and all. How much more dignity do we need?

Cheers,

Jim
 
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rbell

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Diggin in da Word said:
This thread is not about motorcars. You may find a thread about motorcars in the sports section. We are talking cremation vs burial here.

Isn't cremating willfully destroying a body?

True, the body will decay over time, but it is not man destroying that body in that case, but natural decay.

Are we disobeying God's Holy Word if we willfully destroy a body?
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Now DITW, you're being silly with your eisegesis. Quit equating cremation with wanton disregard for God's Word.
 
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LeBuick

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Ed Edwards said:
What becomes of those Christian Martyrs where
the Pagan tormentors burned their bodies as a
postmortem insult -- will they be in the resurrection
of the just (AKA: First Resurreciton)?
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God stuck them under the altar. Not sure what he plans to do with um but I'm sure it'll be good... :laugh: :laugh:
 
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Diggin in da Word

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No eisegesis at all, rbell.

The Word of God tells us:

1 Corinthians 3:17 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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The Word 'defile' in that verse is translated
to corrupt or destroy.
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So the question is a valid one. If one cremates a body, thereby destroying it, are they in direct disobedience of God's Word?
 
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