SCOTUS betrays the Church

[Agent47]

“The state cannot,” Justice Kavanaugh wrote, quoting from an appeals court decision in a different case, “‘assume the worst when people go to worship but assume the best when people go to work or go about the rest of their daily lives in permitted social settings.’”




Split 5 to 4, Supreme Court Rejects Nevada Church’s Challenge to Shutdown Restrictions

 

[Adonia]

Chief Justice Roberts is to blame. At this point with politicians and Judges against Christians massive civil disobedience is the next step by those who value their faith.

 

[church mouse guy]

Roberts is siding with states who are depriving people of their God-given rights.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Roberts is siding with states who are depriving people of their God-given rights.

I would like to know what you consider God-given rights clearly defined/supported by specific scripture.

 

[church mouse guy]

I would like to know what you consider God-given rights clearly defined/supported by specific scripture.

The right in question in the Calvary Chapel case is freedom of worship. Do you contend that that is not God-given?

 

[Adonia]

I would like to know what you consider God-given rights clearly defined/supported by specific scripture.

Read the first 10 Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the rights listed are those already in force (God given) and our government was formed so that those rights would be respected. But specifically to your question, Scripture gives us the right to self-defense, does it not?

 

[Dave G]

massive civil disobedience is the next step by those who value their faith

" Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, [but] gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men." ( Titus 2:1-2, AV )

" Remind them to be under the control of magistrates and authorities, to be obedient, to be open to every good enterprise.
2 They are to slander no one, to be peaceable, considerate, exercising all graciousness toward everyone." ( Titus 3:1-2, NABRE )

Scripture gives us the right to self-defense, does it not?

Perhaps you might wish to review the other rights that Scripture gives to those whose are the Lord's, Adonia.
Please see Romans 13:1-14.

 

[Reynolds]

Roberts is siding with states who are depriving people of their God-given rights.

Roberts is a carbon copy of the snake that appointed him. Bush 43 was a globalist wolf who came in sheeps clothing.

 

[AustinC]

Since when is a Supreme Court justice tied to the Christian faith?
We have a separation between church and state, therefore the SCOTUS cannot have betrayed that to which it is not tied.

My suggestion: Stop placing faith in politics for your security and your life. Place your faith in a God who may very well have a good reason for sending the US church into persecution and struggles. Pray for your appointed leaders and ask that God might guide their decisions. But, stop with the notion that someone "betrayed" the church when they were never tied to the church in the first place.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

I would like to know what you consider God-given rights clearly defined/supported by specific scripture.

The right in question in the Calvary Chapel case is freedom of worship. Do you contend that that is not God-given?

You neglected to provide specific scripture as I requested. However, I will graciously reply.

In the case of Calvary Chapel, the congregation is being denied the right to assemble. No-one can prevent an individual or group from worshiping.

God has granted His blessings as follows:
Mat 18:20 KJV - For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

As far as freedom of/to worship acknowledged in our constitution, it is not based on scripture.
Exo 20:3 KJV - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

 

[MartyF]

Continue the church services outside. If police ask, say it's a protest.

 

[just-want-peace]

Since when is a Supreme Court justice tied to the Christian faith?
We have a separation between church and state, therefore the SCOTUS cannot have betrayed that to which it is not tied.

My suggestion: Stop placing faith in politics for your security and your life. Place your faith in a God who may very well have a good reason for sending the US church into persecution and struggles. Pray for your appointed leaders and ask that God might guide their decisions. But, stop with the notion that someone "betrayed" the church when they were never tied to the church in the first place.

I see this as a betrayal to our BoR/constitution, not a betrayal of the church!!

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Read the first 10 Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the rights listed are those already in force (God given) and our government was formed so that those rights would be respected. But specifically to your question, Scripture gives us the right to self-defense, does it not?

Most of the first 10 amendments from 2 on do not warrant my consideration in this discussion. Therefore, I chose to address only the first amendment. Curious where you get the idea: "the rights listed are those already in force (God given)"

First amendment: Protects freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and the right to petition the government.

Is freedom of religion scriptural? Your answer depends on your understanding of the first of the ten commandments:
Exo 20:3 KJV - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Seems clear and straightforward to me. How about you?

If the USA was indeed a Christian nation, our speech would be more in agreement with scripture:
Col 4:6 KJV - Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Tit 2:8 KJV - Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

Instead, our freedom of speech allows the most vulgar words in our vocabulary to be broadcast to our children.
Same with freedom of the press.

As far as self-defense, what do citizens of a Christian nation need to defend against?

If you want more of our Christian nations history to consider, you might start with the treatment of the American Indians, then slavery.

Enough ranting for this post!

 

[AustinC]

I see this as a betrayal to our BoR/constitution, not a betrayal of the church!!

This is a better take.

 

[church mouse guy]

Most of the first 10 amendments from 2 on do not warrant my consideration in this discussion. Therefore, I chose to address only the first amendment. Curious where you get the idea: "the rights listed are those already in force (God given)"

First amendment: Protects freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and the right to petition the government.

Is freedom of religion scriptural? Your answer depends on your understanding of the first of the ten commandments:
Exo 20:3 KJV - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Seems clear and straightforward to me. How about you?

If the USA was indeed a Christian nation, our speech would be more in agreement with scripture:
Col 4:6 KJV - Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Tit 2:8 KJV - Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

Instead, our freedom of speech allows the most vulgar words in our vocabulary to be broadcast to our children.
Same with freedom of the press.

As far as self-defense, what do citizens of a Christian nation need to defend against?

If you want more of our Christian nations history to consider, you might start with the treatment of the American Indians, then slavery.

Enough ranting for this post!

Moses told Pharaoh that all the Jews and their herds and possessions wanted to go off and worship. Pharaoh said no. So did the American chief justice.

 

[church mouse guy]

Roberts is a carbon copy of the snake that appointed him. Bush 43 was a globalist wolf who came in sheeps clothing.

I think the booze destroyed a lot of his little grey cells when he was young.

 

[carpro]

Roberts is siding with states who are depriving people of their God-given rights.

Civil disobedience is in order. Nevada churches should ignore the ruling and the Nevada governor and meet however they wish.

My guess is that the state will be able to do nothing to stop it.

 

[Salty]

Since when is a Supreme Court justice tied to the Christian faith?
We have a separation between church and state, therefore the SCOTUS cannot have betrayed that to which it is not tied..

You mentioned "Separation of church and State"
As you know that term is NOT in the US Constitution.
If it was - then there would be no automatic tax-free status.
If it was there would be no chaplains in the military
if it was there would be religious release time in the schools
and/or no Child Evangelism clubs in public schools

So Austin - please tell us what you think the First Amendment is telling us?

 

[AustinC]

You mentioned "Separation of church and State"
As you know that term is NOT in the US Constitution.
If it was - then there would be no automatic tax-free status.
If it was there would be no chaplains in the military
if it was there would be religious release time in the schools
and/or no Child Evangelism clubs in public schools

So Austin - please tell us what you think the First Amendment is telling us?

Salty, you are talking about freedom from religion, which is certainly not in the Constitution. However, separation of church and state is found in this phrase of the first amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
The State already has overall sovereignty, but the 1st Amendment keeps religion free from government control and gives religion autonomy.

 

[Salty]

The State already has overall sovereignty, but the 1st Amendment keeps religion free from government control and gives religion autonomy.

If that were the case than the US govt would be wrong in
having military chaplains of which are paid by taxpayers,
some of whom are atheists.


As you posted ""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

NO, there is not a separation - rather there is a working together within limits.

Thus that is the reason that Bible clubs are are allowed in public school buildings, ect.