My point is that generically, a whale is a large fish as opposed to a land animal. This is not a technical distinction. I don't think the Hebrew or Greek made such distinctions.
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Maybe not but Steve did.Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
My point is that generically, a whale is a large fish as opposed to a land animal. This is not a technical distinction. I don't think the Hebrew or Greek made such distinctions.
If I understand the position held by most opponents of KJVOnlyism, they assert that the Word of God is preserved in the abundance of manuscript evidence available today. I would ask the same question of you, "What Scripture(s) supports that assertion?"Originally posted by Scotty aka Scott J:
What scripture says that only the KJV is the Word of God in English?
...do not require any of your (il)logical deductions, cut/paste articles, or other evasions.
If you would like to list what you believe are actually KJVO beliefs, I will try my best to answer them based upon Scripture.What scripture supports any of your KJVO beliefs?
If I understand the position held by most opponents of KJVOnlyism, they assert that the Word of God is preserved in the abundance of manuscript evidence available today. I would ask the same question of you, "What Scripture(s) supports that assertion?"</font>[/QUOTE] Nice try Pastor Bob but no...Originally posted by Pastor Bob 63:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scotty aka Scott J:
What scripture says that only the KJV is the Word of God in English?
You can read the posts of JYD, Steve, Faith/Fact/Feeling, Pure Words, Bob Krajcik, The Harvest, et al. for a complete understanding but the basic belief is that God somehow generated and approved the KJV as the only Word of God in English for our day. They reject any and all English translations that differ from the unique wording of the KJV. To them, only one set of English words equates to God's Word. Everything else is a perversion or worse.If you would like to list what you believe are actually KJVO beliefs, I will try my best to answer them based upon Scripture.
This is interesting. Are you being serious about studying these posts?? I thought you were kidding ... just making a joke. Now I am really curious ... Tell me about this.Originally posted by Elder Ed:
My study of your posts was a sample study.
We assumed that the 4500+ total posts wwere reflected in an random sample of 25 posts.
I would agree. Thanks for starting this thread Scott. I'm hoping it has been enlightening to both our KJO brethren and anybody being tempted by that belief.Originally posted by Scott J:
My view is that these questions stand unanswered.
In my short ministry, I have seen far greater fruit since I switched to the NASB than there ever was with the KJV. The KJV only church I worked in was dead and lifeless. People didn't care about spiritual growth. They only cared about meeting the budget. Since I have switched MVs, there is a real desire for growth. We have people meeting weekly to pray together and quote their memory verses to each other. We have people reading and studying and asking questions and searching. They are sharing the gospel with others and bringing their friends to church. I never saw that in the KJOnly church I was in.Originally posted by Ernie Brazee:
Proof that the KJV is the pure word of God is fruit. Those who use and trust the KJV have a burniing desire to please God and live for him.
But the facts prove your wrong. Our church is separated, probably as much if not more than yours is. Our church is growing and people are responding, not to a version, but to God's word faithfully preached.Which churches support and use the MVs? Are they separpated? Probably not, they call those who separate themselves unto God "legalist" and "pharisee." The MVs are dull and have no power. Like it or not they don't produce the fruit of the KJV.
We want to please God and so we use the book he preserved.Use what you like, those who want to truly please God will use the book he preserved.
Finally a verse (after three anecdotal paragraphs that weren't even true. However, this verse does not identify the KJV as the only sword.Hebrew 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
In my short ministry, I have seen far greater fruit since I switched to the NASB than there ever was with the KJV. The KJV only church I worked in was dead and lifeless. People didn't care about spiritual growth. They only cared about meeting the budget. Since I have switched MVs, there is a real desire for growth. We have people meeting weekly to pray together and quote their memory verses to each other. We have people reading and studying and asking questions and searching. They are sharing the gospel with others and bringing their friends to church. I never saw that in the KJOnly church I was in.
This can go both ways. Do you need a verse that tells you smoking and drinking is wrong? No. Hopefully common sense tells you this.And that was the point of this thread: From your Bible, show us a place where God said that the KJV is the only word of God. So far we have seen lots of opinions of men (and women), but not one of your side has yet to show us where God said this. Why?
Ya know, it took me quite a bit of effort and bible study to post my previous list, and the fact that you would dismiss my valid research by referring to it as nonsense is rather insulting.Originally posted by Ernie Brazee:
Not going to wade through all the pages of nonsense posted her so if I repeat something already posted maybe God wanted it repeated....
Because my point was not about the church itself but about the false connection between a healthy church and a particular version. The problem was not the version in that church. And it is possible to have a healthy vibrant church using a modern version of God's word.Originally posted by HomeBound:
Really!? The King James Bible believing church that I attend does what you mentioned and we don't use the MVs. Curious, instead of switching bibles, why not churches?
By what authority do you say this?? This is the type of argument that sounds real good but when you think about it, it is a useless argument because it cannot be proven. A faithful MV will probably have more fruit simply by virtue of using a Bible that is in the common language.I know of MV churches that have good fruit and souls are being saved, but they will never have the power and convictions that a KJB church has.
But my pulpit will not preach "common sense." We have a higher authority. And my doctrine is not "common sense." It is very uncommon. That is why it is foolishness to the world. The arguments that have been made here by you and others is that using MVs is wrong, satanic, perverted, etc. Your side has said that the KJV is the only word of God. Our question remains: Where did God say that??This can go both ways. Do you need a verse that tells you smoking and drinking is wrong? No. Hopefully common sense tells you this.
Yes, in fact there are more than one. The KJV is a fine choice, though the language is a little outdated and the sentence structure is very awkward. The NASB is a very good modern translation, though still a bit stiff. The NIV, ESV, and NKJV are likewise good translation. Any one of these Bibles is available today and is God's word.Question: Is there one bible today that is God's word?