Featured Scripture dictation, mechanical or otherwise

That is true, but Jesus also said and did things that were never recorded down to us in the Bible, were they not as valid as if they were?

 

ONLY the 66 Books of the Holy Bible are 100 % Inspired by the Holy in the Original Autographs. Nothing else is

 

Thanks John for the clarification.

 

Do you hold that the Lord forced them to record what he wanted thru them, but did not allow them to express it in a way unique to their styles and vocabularies then?
That He could not allow for any human factor, as that would dilute the final product?

 

Still very sure that when Paul or peter or John spoke, their theology would be perfect!

 

I got to thinking that if Peter’s theology was always perfect, would he have cut off the Roman soldiers ear or sank in the water?
The understanding is that if anything were perfect outside of the Bible would (going by what John of Japan said), would be natural revelation whereas what was said in the Words of the Bible would be special revelation by Inspiration. That’s how I understood what he said.

 

So you do then would see this as there being both a Human factor and God involved?

 

I was not referring to peter when he did that sinful act, nor would he refused to honor his own theology wehen confronted by Paul!

 

If by "anything perfect outside of the Bible" you mean truth revealed for all people (my definition of revelation), I don't see that as possible. There are various passages that condemn adding anything to or subtracting anything from the Word of God (Revelation 22:18-19, Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6). Therefore, the Word of God is as complete as God wants it to be.

Now, anything happening concerning revelation outside of the inspiration of Scripture is by definition not perfect. Natural revelation is of necessity incomplete, not perfect; any truth we receive through natural revelation exists because of God's providence, not miracles.

 

I definitely wasn’t referring to anything being removed or added to the Word of God. It is perfect as is.
I was trying to say (and probably not doing a good job of it), that I thought that if anything outside the Bible, say conversations that would have been perfect through the Holy Spirit but weren’t meant for all people or the Bible, had happened (speculation and not suggesting it had), that I thought you said that would be natural or general revelation. That which was recorded in the Bible for all would be called special revelation. Maybe I misunderstood your meaning. I think from your quote here I have a better sense of what you’re saying.

 

One theologian has written, "The traditional loci of general revelation are three: nature, history, and the constitution of the human being" (Millard Erickson, Christian Theology, 3rd. ed., p. 123). General revelation does not occur through human words, then, but we can see the image of God and His glory in creation, in how a human being is made, and throughout human history, such as when the North won the Civil War, or the Normandy Invasion took place in WW2.

It often occurs through nature, such as when a tribal native looks up at the sky and says, "There must be a God. Dear God, reveal yourself to me." One such event is recorded in a book by my great uncle, evangelist Bill Rice, Cowboy Boots in Darkest Africa. The man who prayed that was a pygmy, and his prayer was answered when my uncle, a missionary, and an interpreter arrived in his village years later.

 

It is human writings that were inspired by the Holy Spirit!

 

Do you see that when the Apostles were giving message/sermon, that the Holy Spirit inspired their teaching to be revelation from God?

 

When the spoken word is recorded in historical accounts in the Bible, the revelation we are given is inerrant in the sense that the Bible perfectly records what was said. And to the exact extent that the speaker was filled with the Holy Spirit and lead by God, we receive revelation to live by. However, there are spoken words recorded inerrantly in the Bible which do not contain revelation that we can live by per se, but revelation of evil: the words of Satan in Job, the words of evil OT kings, the words of Pilate or Herod, the words of Satan tempting Jesus (except when he quotes the OT), etc.

 

Are you saying that the Bible was first written, then inspired, in a two step process?

 

I agree with that, but was just asking in regards to the Apostles of the Lord Jesus themselves!

 

nope, that when the writers "penned" down to the material their recordings, at that moment was the inspired word of God to us!