BobRyan
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Gerhard Ebersoehn said:The Sinister
‘John 20:17 and Hebrews 8:4’, say the same devout Seventh Day Adventist, ‘tell us why Mrs White declares it was the angel who ‘called’ Jesus to “come forth”, that is, to ‘come out’ of the grave. ‘Come out’, your Father is not here; He is not in there with you, He calls you through me, his messenger, ‘angel’. Mrs White is a word-artist;
Dear unsuspecting reader -- in the above - GE devoted quotes himself -- and then drifts in and out of ranting about Ellen White -- whilst quoting himself repeatedly.
Confusing indeed. Not sure if he intends it to be confusing or if this is just "normal" for GE.
GE listing his complaints -- in his own words no less --
The Father wasn’t present when Jesus was raised from the dead, is her whole point. Jesus made no atonement on earth, He was not Priest of God on earth, He first had to ‘go to heaven’
I posted previously about one part of GE's rant -- namely GE's denial of the writings of Paul in Hebrews where Paul tells us that When Christ ascended to heaven He began his work as our High Priest.
Dear reader - read PAUL for youself to see how GE opposes his views.
Between "quoting himself" ranting against E.G White (as if THAT is where all his problems lie) and "denying Paul" it is no wonder G.E "appears confused".
But should one welcome a voice of clarity on this threadl -- let it come from Paul...
Hebrews 8
1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer.
4 Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law;
5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, "" SEE,'' He says, ""THAT YOU MAKE all things ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN WHICH WAS SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN.''
Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Christ becomes our High Priest - NOT while on earth - but when He ascends to heaven.
Heb 7
22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
23 The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing,
24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently.
25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens;
27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.
It is no wonder then the GE struggles with this text -- but why in the world "blame that on Ellen White"??
Just simply study it and deal with the text until you can finally accept it -- a much more honorable solution if you ask me.
Leave all the ranting and railing for someone with more time on their hands.
in Christ,
Bob
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