SDA - inspired writings?

[Darren]

What have you actually said? Nothing! There is a subject discussed here, which you do not like, because you are caught behind the door. At Least BobRyan (who is a Seveventh Day Adventist) tries put his case with Scripture - which this discussion is for. What are you doing in this conversation if it isn't to your liking? There are people who find this discussion mighty important to them - and they are more than just BobRyan and me. You're welcome if you have something to contribute. Don't show off your own righteousness, this is not the place. And it's not for your entertainment.

I thought Bob said he wasn't an adventest. My bad. Then I suppose the suggestion was made on bad information.

As to my "righteousness"... it was a suggestion. Sorry to have offended you so by suggesting postponing until an actual SDA comes along, didn't seem offensive to me. My mistake if there already are a few, but that's a mistake. I didn't say I was better than anyone, or knew more. It is true that this discussion seems to have people getting rather upset. You're right, I'll stay out of it, since that's my place. I just felt something was wrong.

 

[BobRyan]

Here's another of those speaking-for-itself-texts: "but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself" by courtesy of BobRyan. My comments superfluous! But let me repeat what the text says, "Manifested" - that's 'when' - 'manifested' to do what? "to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself" - that's 'when': Sin was put away the moment, "in the twinkling of an eye", when "the sting of death, sin" with death, was "swallowed up" when, where, how? In Victory! That was, in and with, at, the moment of Jesus' resurrection from the dead! Nowhere else; no other time, no other occasion! Where is the Triumph of Jesus' resurrection if not in his resurrection?

At Jesus' resurrection -- but as Jesus said even then "I have not YET ascended to my Father" John 20.

That would happen shortly.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

ENOUGH WITH THE ALL CAPS AND UNNECESSARILY LARGE PRINT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE ALL SHOUTING AT EACHOTHER!

Just asking, are any of the people posting here SDA at all? Otherwise, without someone who actually believes SDA theology wheighing in, this is likely to be a battle of the straw men.

Let me put it this way. I use to read little blerps by baptists writers all the time about Jehovah's witnesses. Eventually, as many do, I became convinced it was time to do intellectual battle with them... well it's not hard to best someone intellectually who doesn't know what he's talking about. Since all of the writings were written by propagandists instead of those who actually believed it, they took a few... liberties... it turns out. My first discussion with a Jehovah's Witness left me having learned more than him, me looking like an idiot, him not thinking much of my ideas, and me resenting all those stupid baptist pamphlets, supposedly meant to help ward off the reasoning of the enemy. Only after talking with that man for a couple hours a day, did I begin to understand where he was comeing from, and then, I was able to make him start thinking about his ideas. Yes, he forced me to think about mine, but guess what... I'm human to, I to need to sometimes re-think, we ALL do..

Good points. While it is true that I am SDA it is also true as you may have gathered from my posts - I am interested in "Bible substance" not simply the whining that sometimes passes for a doctrinal POV.

that is why I try to find something in GE's argument that actually has a point to it - and then contrast that to what the bible says. At some point he might throw away the shovel to come up and join me.

As you point out -- no matter who you are discussing doctrine with - it pays to "know your bible" simple ranting at them about "what someone said they believe" or "making stuff up" as GE does -- has no substantive value at all in it. It is not a compelling form of debate or Bible study.

At some point everything comes down to "sola scriptura" the Bible and the Bible alone. That is where all doctrine must stand or fall.

Blessings to you.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Bob Ryan, you are sealed; you are a sealed. It is clear.

I ask anyone who might have read this thread, Are any of you prepared to answer my questions: Did the Father raise Christ from the dead? Did Jesus give His Spirit to God the Father when He died on the cross?

I shall - I honestly mean it from the bottom of my heart - be very thankful to receive your answers.

No one would know, therefore I confess on this board this moment, I don't know why - it's no concern of any of you - I simply cannot help!How I cried almost all night last night. God heard me. I cried, because of many things, also because of Bob Ryan. I cried because in a very short time I lost my father and my mother, and my older brother, and a few weeks ago, my dearest (remaining) sister. She died of a carcinoma of the brain, after four months she contracted it. I cried because she so wonderfully supported me in my discovery (to me it was a discovery) of the Resurrection-Faith of Jesus Christ. She shared my faith, and she gave direction with my studies. We went on holiday just after she heard of her illness - I insisted, and she told us the most wonderful night of her life was one evening Tussen die Riviere as we watched the stars. Never were the stars so beautiful, she told us. She told me, it is most wonderful, Jesus rose from the dead on the Sabbath Day. She said she longed to soar the heights of the heavens, to touch the light, which Isaiah promised the Sabbath keeper. We have talked of Isaiah 58 being a Prophecy of Jesus Christ in resurrection from the dead.

So here I sit, sobbing as I type. God alone is able to make one see. I am so thankful God made my sister see, and believe, and enjoy! And myself.

Thank you all for having patience with me.

Gerhard Ebersoehn

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Darren'

There is something very wrong with this thread. It is one's refusal to admit truth - the most basic of Christian Truth, which is the resurrection of Jesus Christ by God the Father; that's what's wrong with it! I have been batling to show it. I have lost my temper, and transgressed the law of love; I have comitted every possible sin I accused others of, but to no avail. I have been rude, and even sarcastic - which thing I pride myself I never succumb to, yet, in vain!

 

[BobRyan]

No one would know, therefore I confess on this board this moment, I don't know why - it's no concern of any of you - I simply cannot help!How I cried almost all night last night. God heard me. I cried, because of many things, also because of Bob Ryan. I cried because in a very short time I lost my father and my mother, and my older brother, and a few weeks ago, my dearest (remaining) sister. She died of a carcinoma of the brain, after four months she contracted it. I cried because she so wonderfully supported me in my discovery (to me it was a discovery) of the Resurrection-Faith of Jesus Christ.

I am truly sorry to hear about your loss GE -- my prayers go with you.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Darren]

Very sorry about that, Gerhard. I understand why you were getting angry now. Well sorry for the loss, just take solace in the fact that you will see them all once again, I'm very sure, in a land where you will never again be separated.

I don't know how valuable this is, coming from a man you all now know disagree with so much normal Christian doctrine, but yes, I believe very firmly Jesus is risen from the dead. Not only that, but so we shall all rise, and be renewed (well... save for certain individuals, I'm not at all a universalist). God's death came to save us all from our sins, and His resurection showed His power over the grave as well and determined that He is still with us today.