Secession Movement Explodes

[Salty]

You all will be very lonely in your battle against evil when half the people in the US think that wage earners should be happy to get a 15% cut in pay.

What did I miss - did Obama require a 15% cut in pay?

 

[OldRegular]

Bill, I like your posts and generally agree. I guess what I am trying to say is, work is more than pay. It brings dignity to a person. While I am not crazy about taking a pay loss, if I had to make the decision, I would take the pay cut and be looking for another job.

Sitting around day after day doing nothing is unacceptable to me , and I cannot do it.

Very well said S/N. Work is definitely more than pay. In my opinion a man that is able to work and won't is not worth a "tinker's dam"! The Apostle Paul had some words to say about such!

 

[OldRegular]

poncho

A very good list of why's! The simplest answer to most of the questions is that the Federal government, all three branches, have ignored the 10th amendment and the states have acqueised or joyfully supported the Feds.

A second answer is that posted by "mont974x4" some days back:

The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

Czech Republic: Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon

And then there is this also by "mont974x4".

Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who rarely agreed on anything in public: When the voters recognize that the public treasury has become a public trough, they will send to Washington not persons who will promote self-reliance and foster an atmosphere of prosperity, but rather those who will give away the most cash and thereby create dependency.

 

[poncho]

poncho

A very good list of why's! The simplest answer to most of the questions is that the Federal government, all three branches, have ignored the 10th amendment and the states have acqueised or joyfully supported the Feds.

A second answer is that posted by "mont974x4" some days back:



And then there is this also by "mont974x4".

I agree. Jefferson also said something about central banks and the corporations that grow up around them. Which has happened. So we have two of Jefferson's predictions that have come to pass but we accept the one and deny the other even though the bankers and even the corporate media admit that we now work for the bankers.

How is it possible to miss what is so obvious? To deny the obvious makes no sense at all to me. To ridicule someone for pointing it out makes no sense to me.

How can so many people fail to see what's right in front of them? If it were a snake it bite them. I take that back it is a snake and it has bitten them yet they take no notice. I just don't get it.

 

[billwald]

In my whole life, the longest I have been out of work since I graduated is two weeks during which The Wife made enough to pay the bills.

 

[LadyEagle]

Congressman Ron Paul reacted to the secessionist movement sweeping America today by reminding people that the United States seceded from the British empire, while slamming those who suggested their fellow Americans should be deported merely for talking about the idea.


In the aftermath of petitions from all 50 states to secede being posted on the White House website and signed by over a million Americans, the secessionist movement has been portrayed as anti-American, unpatriotic and even treasonous. In reality, as Ron Paul has emphasized, it is as American as apple pie and George Washington.

Paul updated his thoughts on secession during an appearance on C-Span today, noting how “The founders believed in it, there’s no prohibition in the Constitution against secession,” adding that the union was voluntary and therefore secession was also voluntary under the tenth amendment.

“They want to put them on a list that they’re committing treason, put them in prison or throw them out of the country – what about the First Amendment,” asked Paul in response to calls by some on the left to have pro-secessionists deported.

“The principle of secession is very important, not so much for the purpose of seceding, but the purpose of saying to the federal government ‘if you mistreat us that’s what we might consider’,” said Paul, noting that New England talked about secession in the early 19th century and was not condemned for doing so.

Paul explained that the principle was really about states nullifying laws that were anathema to the Constitution.

“Nullification is the same thing – what if states could nullify the law? Look how wonderful it would have been to solve the problem of Obamacare if the states could just nullify the thing and get out of it, so nullification and secession should always be there,” said Paul.

“Secession is what we did when we left England, it was a wonderful thing,” said Paul, adding that there were no complaints when eastern European nations seceded from the Communist bloc.”

Paul concluded by condemning the hysteria generated by those in opposition to people merely for talking about secession and noted that if secession and nullification had been on the table, the federal government would not have grown to its current bloated size.

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-the-founders-believed-in-secession/

 

[moral necessity]

The problem is that our country has been overrun with too many people who do not hold the values that our country was built upon. They never experienced the tyranny of England and don't know that perspective enough to appreciate the freedom that they are given.

It's a sad thing to see people trade it away.

Few if any of these Presidents or Congressmen or progressives today would have gotten on the boat to come over here (except Ron Paul). Yet, here they are 200 years later mooching off of a free nation and seeking to enslave it's people all over again.

A few quotes from our grandparents:
"But the indissoluble link of union between the people of the several States of this confederated nation is, after all, not in the RIGHT, but in the HEART. If the day should ever come (may Heaven avert it !) when the affections of the people of these States shall be alienated from each other, when the fraternal spirit shall give way to cold indifference, or collision of interests shall fester into hatred, the bonds of political association - will not long hold together parties no longer attracted by the magnetism of conciliated interests and kindly sympathies ; and far better will it be for the people of the disunited States to part in friendship with each other than to be held together by constraint. Then will be the time for reverting to the precedents which occurred at the formation and adoption of the Constitution, to form again a more perfect Union, by dissolving that which could no longer bind, and to leave the separated parts to be reunited by the law of political gravitation to the center." - John Quincy Adams

“If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation … to a continuance in the union …. I have no hesitation in saying, ‘Let us separate.’” - Thomas Jefferson

Blessings

 

[saturneptune]

I just don't get it.

Exactly right.

 

[Eric B]

You still did not answer the question. Why do the elitists manipulate back and forth between a left and right new world order? It is not to give us the appearance of a choice. Why would they care what we thought if they control the election?

How about to keep everyone so focused on one side or the other, as they point back and forth, that no one sees what's really going on behind the scenes?

 

[poncho]

How about to keep everyone so focused on one side or the other, as they point back and forth, that no one sees what's really going on behind the scenes?

Exactly right Eric. I call it "gaming the sheople". And as you can probably tell there are still some sheople who so enjoy being part of the game they flatly refuse to see beyond the puppets and will even go so far as to break BB rules (#5) just to call those who do names and question our "loyalty" whenever we get close to breaking through the barrier of deception.

They aren't about to admit they are wrong and can't stand the thought of other sheople turning into people and leaving them behind with egg on their face. The numbers of sheople even here on BB are starting to decline. Cracks are beginning to appear in their dearly held false paradigm and it frightens them so they lash out at any threat that might expose the gamer's for what they really are. :thumbsup:

I still wonder why certain people here are allowed to break posting rule number 5 with impunity.

 

[billwald]

Read rules? Know rules by numbers? You gots to be kidding!

Old joke about the inmates in a cell block heard the same jokes so many times they numbered the jokes. . . .

 

[poncho]

Read rules? Know rules by numbers? You gots to be kidding!

Old joke about the inmates in a cell block heard the same jokes so many times they numbered the jokes. . . .

We all agreed to abide by the posting rules here and most make a solid effort to do just that and at least attempt to keep it at a certain lower level of bickerig and badgering back and forth but a few here choose to disregard the rules completely and aggressively pursue their "prey" all over the board disrupting other discussions whenever it suits their fancy and usually they are the same people who demand others follow their preferred set of beliefs and only their preferred set of beliefs.

Evidently these people feel they can take it upon themselves whenever they wish to chastise and ridicule others aggressively in open forums who do not conform to their own ideology and beliefs.

And usually these are the same people who have often rebuked others for not strictly adhering to long held "American values", such as questioning the authorities and speaking out against tyranny whenever another poster attempts to make use of long held "American values" by questioning authority or speaking out against tyranny.

Now I assume there will be those who will call me a hypocrite and a rule breaker for writing this and posting it and they'd be right. But I have recently concluded that if others here are allowed to act like hypocrites and flagrantly break the rules whenever they please everyone should be able to do the same.