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Secrets in Genesis...

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by BenWest, Mar 12, 2020.

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  1. Reynolds

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    Your opinion is based in your misreading of the KJV.
     
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    Simply making a claim about what scripture says does not prove your position. Your M.O. Is to make a claim, post a scripture reference than proclaim you are proven it. In fact you have not proven it. It takes far more work that to just post a scripture reference and make a claim about it. When it comes to dealing with scripture you are a novice at best. You have yet to prove anything. Amen!
     
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    Scripture does NOT tell us to consult scholars especially since there are more than 30k denominations. Here is what Christians are told to do.

    1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

    The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, can be found in the pages of the Holy Bible. Scholars are mortal men, thus subject to error.
     
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    False accusation supported by opinion and NOT Scripture.

    I prefer to seek God's Truth which agrees in every way with every discovery of mankind. I don't follow a religion of men who called for the crucifixion of their own God.

    Jhn 19:6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw Him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye Him, and crucify Him: for I find no fault in Him.
     
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    The problem is that you, nor anyone else, can refute me Scripturally. This means the misreading is caused by following the superstitious religious views of ancient men.
     
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    What I have proven is that no one here can refute me Scripturally. It's because the current traditional religious view is based on the misunderstandings of ancient Hebrews who lived 3k years ago.
     
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    It is not an accusation nor it it false. The language of Gen. 7:20 is Hebrew thus it is the grammar of the Hebrew Scriptures that refutes your claim.

    Except when the Hebrew grammar refutes your opinion.

    No one said anyone about a religion. Hebrew is a language and it is the language used by the O.T. authors.
     
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    Is our sky today typically a blue sky do to our atmosphere? Before the flood, Genesis 1:7, "And God made the sky and divided the waters which were under the sky from the waters which were above the sky: and it was so. . . ." Now you can believe what you want. I believe what I understand the word of God to mean. The Hebrew word means to be spread out, the NASB translates the word, "expanse." So Psalms 150:1 makes perfect sense, "Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the expanse of his power." (KJV firmament > expanse)
     
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    Uh no you haven't. As I said you have made a claim and the posted scripture and said that the scripture you posted supports your claim. That is not proof
     
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    Be more specific and tell us what happened to Adam's firmament which God called Heaven. Scripture tells us that it was totally destroyed in the flood, dissolved in water.

    It doesn't. A good example is the false notion that God made only one Earth. Scripture shows that God made the 1st Heaven on Day 2. Genesis 1:8 Lord God made the 2nd and 3rd Heavens 2 Corinthians 12:2 on the NEXT Day. Genesis 2:4 Doesn't look like ancient Hebrews caught that one. Amen?

    It's also a religion which cannot be supported by Scripture. Want to try?
     
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    The only way to lean the languages of the O.T and N.T. is to study Greek and Hebrew. The Bible is not a grammar. The authors wrote in those languages.

    And you are a mortal as well. Thus there is no reason to accept your opinion because you are subject to error, have no working knowledge of the Hebrew language, nor are will to seek out those you are experts and check.
     
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    All you have proven is that you have extremely poor reading comprehension.
     
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    Adam's first Earth was made inside the firmament which protected his Earth from the water which totally surrounded that firmament. When the windows on high were opened, Adam's small firmament sank on the 150th day after the flood began. This released the 450 ft long Ark into Lake Van, Turkey, 11,000 years ago, in man's time.

    Amen. The firmament was the boundary of Adam's flat Earth and it was like beaten metal and stretched over Adam's entire world. God made 1 expanse and Jesus made two.
     
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    :Biggrin Just as soon as you address the Hebrew grammar of Gen. 7:20.

    Demonstrate your claim concerning Gen. 7:20 from the Hebrew text, the language in which it was originally written.

    Then show us from the Hebrew text. Cite a Hebrew grammar or scholar who support your opinion.

    I never said it wasn't. However that has nothing to do with Hebrew grammar of Gen. 7:20.

    Instead of trying to change the subject why don't you address the Hebrew grammar of Gen. 7:20.
     
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    Sorry. I always try to include the agreement of every other discovered Truth with Genesis. When you have the correct interpretation of Genesis, it unlocks the mystery of HOW God's Truth agrees with Science, History, Genetics and Math. No one has been able to refute me in ANY way because I know the Secrets of Genesis. It's not that I'm so smart but the Holy Spirit is.
     
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    yep Joseph smith and Charles Russel Taze also said they had secret knowledge. Everyone who claims that is a liar. You certainly are not a Baptist
     
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    Amen, but without the help of the Holy Spirit, in the last days, mankind cannot understand.

    Try to refute me in any way. You will find that the Truth of the Holy Spirit agrees, in every way, with recent discoveries of Science. It's empirical evidence of God which only the people of the last days, with the increased knowledge of our time, can possibly understand. Daniel 12:4
     
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    It's obviously not as bad a your's.
     
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    I have and Scripture states that the flood was 22.5 feet deep when the mountains on Adam's Earth were covered with water.

    Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

    According to your view, ONLY scholars can understand the above verse. God tells us we need only the Bible. Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" in the waters of the flood. Isaiah 24:19 Before you ask, find out what a "Snare" is.
     
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    Irrelevant! The Holy Spirit does not teach Hebrew grammar. You opinion of the text is not support by the grammar. However the author wrote using Hebrew grammar guided by the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit guided the author, the Holy Spirit guided the grammar the author used.

    Done! You cannot address the grammar and the grammar does not support your opinion and you cannot offer no support other than your own personal opinion.

    The Holy Spirit knows Hebrew grammar and you don't. That proves you are not correct.
     
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