Seeking to Understand Revelation

[Ed Edwards]

1 Thessalonians 3:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
To the end hee may stablish your hearts vnblameable
in holinesse before God euen our Father, at the comming
of our Lord Iesus Christ with all his Saints.

The first phase of the Second Coming of Jesus is
not with ALL His saints but just the ones who have died.
(the ones who have not died are still alive & not coming wilth
Jesus but waiting for Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
For if we beleeue that Iesus died, and rose againe:
euen so them also which sleepe in Iesus, will God bring with him.
15 For this we say vnto you by the word of the Lord,
That we which are aliue and remaine vnto
the comming of the Lord, shall not preuent them which are asleepe.
16 For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen
with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel,
and with the trumpe of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine,
shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.

Remember the 'caught up' here is the 'raptos' in Latin
or 'rapture' in the lEnglish adaption of the Latin.

At the pretribulation rapture not all the saints accompany Jesus.
The already dead saints accompany Jesus & pick up their
new/enhanced bodies (AKA: resurrection). The living in-Christ
shall be raptured (like a resurrection, given a new body &
taken to heaven).

In phase two of the Second Return of Christ, Messiah Jesus will be
accompanied by ALL the Saints.

 

[Mel Miller]

Ed Edwards,
Quote:
“In phase two of the Second Return of Christ, Messiah Jesus will be accompanied by ALL the Saints”.
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Thanks Ed,
You finally admit that “ALL the Saints” accompany Christ at His 2nd Advent! You
have already admitted that OT Saints and Tribulation Saints are included among the
total number of Saints!! I don’t need to challenge your theory that there are “many
last trumps”…even to that of claiming Matt.24:31 refers to a Pre-Trib Rapture
RATHER than the Post-Trib Rapture!!!

You have imprisoned your theories within a small parameter of twisted truth by
rejecting Christ’s promise that He will raise up “all Believers/every Believer” on the
Last Day! You continue to insist that Matt.24:31 has the Angels “gathering the Elect”
unto Jesus years prior to the 7th (Last) Trump’s announcement that “God’s wrath
has come”!! You even deny the Signs of the Day of Wrath in Rev.6:12-17 are
“parallel to the 2nd Advent of Jesus in Matt.24:29-30”!!!

The only “appropriate time” for God’s wrath (Retribution) to those
destroying the earth and for Resurrection/Rewards to all the Saints, as Jesus taught in Matt.16:27, is at the 7th Trumpet…after “Chronos-Time is
no longer” subject to a 1260-day countdown! You admit Jesus describes
the Rapture in Matt.24:31!! You even admit verse 29 and 30 describe the
2nd Advent of Jesus!!!

But then you insert 7 years between the 2nd Advent in vs.30 and the
Rapture in vs.31 as if Jesus forgot to mention the Pre-Trib Rapture! With a
Jesus-correcting “Oops” you REMOVE the “appropriate time” for the Post-
Trib Rapture as if Jesus needed correction!! You have given no evidence for
“twisting the truth” that the “Day of Wrath” in Seal 6 occurs 7 years prior
to the Post-Trib truth of Resurrection/Rapture/Retribution!!!

Now you suddenly theorize there are “many last trumps and there is one Last Day for each individual, in Christ, who dies before the Pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection”! Your so-called truths have no place for THE Last Day or THE Last Trump when the “Lord God Almighty begins to reign”!! Rev.11:15-17. What a travesty of Scriptural hope you offer to those who “die in the Lord” until the last one is killed and God avenges their blood!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net