The nonsense you're babbling has nothingta do with the theme of this thread, which is the false "7 church ages" doctrine.
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The nonsense you're babbling has nothingta do with the theme of this thread, which is the false "7 church ages" doctrine.
The "7 church ages" doctrine is also Baptist teaching... Wonderful insight by a beloved and reputable Baptist preacher, Dr. WA Criswell...
“Each one of the churches of Asia represents a time period in the church dispensation, this dispensation of grace: the first one, Ephesus; the second one, Smyrna: the third one, Pergamos; the fourth one, Thyatira; the fifth one, Sardis; the sixth one, Philadelphia; and the last one, Laodicea. And at the end of that time period, at the end of the church age, the church is taken up; it is “raptured.” God’s people are in heaven and now on the earth is tribulation.‘ - The Seven Mighty Miracles at the End of the World
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He was simply WRONG, as are all others who believe or teach that garbage.
Well roby just calling out names against a teaching doesn't prove anything about the teaching itself.
After 6 pages folks are still unconvinced by your "rebuttals".
{QUOTE="robycop3, post: 2526791, member: 5296"]The nonsense you're babbling has nothingta do with the theme of this thread, which is the false "7 church ages" doctrine. See ? That wasn't so hard, was it? Simply believe Scripture literally as common sense allows, & it'll become clear to you. Abandon the false, man-made interps of it & ask the HOLY SPIRIT to teach & guide you ![/QUOTE]
You interpret Scriptures by the letter exclusively, you were not born from the Spirit of God, you remain among them which was born only from the seed of Devil, like the fratricide Cain the killer of Abel, you also is a killer, a killer of souls for the letter kills.
Your speech in All your replies to the messages addressed to you proves you are a killer of souls. What is written in Romans 3: v.13-18 fulfils itself on you, in your malign spiritual behavior:
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
You interpret Scriptures by the letter exclusively, you were not born from the Spirit of God, you remain among them which was born only from the seed of Devil, like the fratricide Cain the killer of Abel, you also is a killer, a killer of souls for the letter kills.
Your speech in All your replies to the messages addressed to you proves you are a killer of souls. What is written in Romans 3: v.13-18 fulfils itself on you, in your malign spiritual behavior:
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
The proof of the falsehood of the "7 church ages" doctrine is very simple. There's no Scripture indicating there'd be any such thing, & history does not align with any model for 7 church ages.
EASY, eh ?
You interpret Scriptures by the letter exclusively, you were not born from the Spirit of God, you remain among them which was born only from the seed of Devil, like the fratricide Cain the killer of Abel, you also is a killer, a killer of souls for the letter kills.
Your speech in All your replies to the messages addressed to you proves you are a killer of souls. What is written in Romans 3: v.13-18 fulfils itself on you, in your malign spiritual behavior:
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.[/QUOTE]
You're just chock-fulla baloney.
For you maybe.
Also church history DOES ALIGN with a history model (if you force it).
A nice mansion, to be sure, but built ~400 years after Giovanni di Lorenzo de' Medici was shaking down people for the (alleged) forgiveness of sins.The DL Moody mansion.... Which is why I had to credit him as the first Laodicean evangelist. That is quite a mansion even in today's standard! And comparable to the tele-evangelists mansions we see today!
That Moody is somehow the "first to make money off the church," disregarding the other 19 centuries of Christian history, is preposterous.
JESUS left it very clear, saying:
I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. -the Lord's Day-
For by thy words thou shall be justified, and by thy words thou shall be condemned.
So, you are lost being at the left hand of the LORD. You interpret Scriptures by the letter exclusively, you were not born from the Spirit of God, you remain among those which were born only from the seed of Devil like the fratricide Cain, the killer of Abel, you also is a killer, a killer of souls, for the letter kills.
Your speech in All your replies to the messages addressed to you is a proof you are a killer, a killer of souls. What is written in Romans 3: v.13-18 fulfils itself on you, in your malign spiritual behavior:
Romans 3:v.13-18
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
You are possessed by the same evil spirit of Hymenaeus and Philetus, you have erred concerning the truth of God expressed in Scriptures. Your teachings eat away at people lilke a gangrene, like a canker.
God did not say what He didn't mean. Scripture is to be believed literally as possible. Of course, there's symbolism such as Daniel's beasts & the beasts of Revelation, which angels explained. However, those symbolic things always represent something literal, such as the beast of Rev. 17 representing the antichrist & his empire.
YOU, Sir, are one of the people bringing false doctrines here. You can't prove a thing you say. I believe you invent much of your gobbledegook as you go.
Not REALLY.
No one has ever shown me any Scripture calling for seven church ages. And I pointed out many bad things that arose during the so-called "Philadelphian" age on most models, proving them false.
like i said, they disconnect the "Philadelphia" age from the time line of history moving it about at will thereby forcing their exegesis. Usually it becomes the modern missionary church age starting around the time of William Carey and Hudson Taylor. A kind of church within the church.
Some assign it to a short era of revival just before the LORD's visible and bodily Return
An interesting theory which I'm not willing to thrown away but OTOH Not a rack upon which i am willing to hang my hat.
Many believers would teach the imminence of the Second Coming of the Christ while some of the same ones may teach a claim of seven ages of church history that would have to occur before Christ could come back.
These two teachings would seem to conflict or even contradict, making it unlikely that both can be scriptural.
Would the scriptures that teach believers to watch for Christ's return and that Christ's return was imminent and could occur at any time conflict with the idea that Christ could not return until after seven ages perhaps read into Revelation 2 & 3?
Instead of Revelation 2 & 3 being concerning "the things which are" (present tense), do Revelation 2 & 3 concern "the things which shall be hereafter"?
These two teachings would seem to conflict or even contradict, making it unlikely that both can be scriptural.
Would the scriptures that teach believers to watch for Christ's return and that Christ's return was imminent and could occur at any time conflict with the idea that Christ could not return until after seven ages perhaps read into Revelation 2 & 3?
Instead of Revelation 2 & 3 being concerning "the things which are" (present tense), do Revelation 2 & 3 concern "the things which shall be hereafter"?
No on can tell in any given point in the time continuum where one is until AFTER the fact.
IOW all had the possibility of being fulfilled AFTER the 1st century for instance.
Of course this gives credence to preterism.
Oh now you are speaking as God, like the Beast, the Beast like lamb, uhh? but you speak as a dragon through your spirit, the spirit of darkeness, the spirit of antichrist. I know who you are. Oh vain man, do you believe that there is one God? the devils also believe, and tremble-James 2:v.19. Where is the advantage of your belief compared to demons? absolutely none, your belief is like the belief of demons, the demons also believe in God like you, because you are like them.
Your teachings are not inspired by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, they are inspired by the spirit of darkness and eat away at people like a gangrene, like a canker. You are a sower of tares.
You have not the true interpretation of Scriptures, you know only and only the letter os Scriptures like the own Satan e his legion of demons, thus you err concerning God's Truth expressed in the Holy Scriptures because have not the spirit of Truth. I CAN'T LIE. What does the Word of God say? Isaiah 5:v.20 - 20 Woe unto them that call EVIL good, and GOOD evil; that put DARKNESS for light, and LIGHT for darkness; that put BITTER for sweet, and SWEET for bitter! Is it.
Your opinion is saying nothing. What prevails is the Word of God. God is a title, the Word, yeah, He, the Word, is God. What does the Word of God say? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple are the true Christians or true believers in Christ, the true Church of Christ. So, you are lost.
Interesting post. I am not saying you are entirely wrong. Roby certainly does not have a grasp of prophecy and gets by with bluster and offensiove calaims.
The book of Revelation refers to the time in which we are living in the present moment, time of Apocalypse.
In my understanding John was caught up twice and was carryed or was brought for two different places or two different spiritual environments.
In my vision, first John was caught up and was brought from the isle of Patmos to another very distant environment and another age simultaneously, that is the Lord's Day or to the time of Apocalypse, in which we are living - Revelation 1:v.10 - that is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ.
After this, John was caught up again and now was brought from the age of Lord's Day where he was - time of Apocalypse - to the third heaven- Revelation 4:v.1-2 onwards. What John saw in the 3rd heaven is written in Revelation chapter 4 onwards.
Analysing more deeply the first rapture of John, actually we see that John made a TRAVEL from the isle of Patmos to this seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the time of Apocalypse, time in which we are living.
John the Apostle was caught for a travel to the future, in the space and in the time, spanning a period of two thousand years, and he was brought to our days, to this 7th and last Day or 7th and last millennium, that is the Lord's Day, and getting here he heard a great voice behind him, as of a trumpet, saying: "What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;" (Note: trumpet means message, allegoricaly. And more: God calls those things which are not as though they already were).
In this point, I must say that once the Apostle John was brought here in these days in which we are living, the things which were written to the seven Churches of Asia are, in my vision, simbols of the Churches of today.
Speaking spiritually, the list of good and bad things of the Churches of Asia, be them right or wrong, be them true or fake, the things which happened in the Churches of Asia are the same that also happen today in the Churches around the world. Terrible, very terrible, because the angels of the mojority of the Churches in Asia were tolerants with wrong behaviors spiritually and the same occurs in the Churches of today. This is not an accusation, this is a fact, this explains the why the Churches are infested of apostasies and even idolatries, and are reflected even in many Christian forums.
In Christ JESUS
Oseas
Matthew 13 is believed by some/a few dispensationalists the prediction of satan's attempt to corrupt Jesus' Church.
In my 'hood there are types of all the early churches in the area, among various denominations. I believe that Jesus was telling us of the faults He'd found in those early churches, knowing they'd carry over into future churches, especially those that'd started out "hot" & become "cold" over time. And I believe all those church types have existed from that time thru now.
Greetings Hank
Honestly, I do not depend on strange theologies and teachings to interpret the Scriptures as those of the dispensationalists or any other. I am completely independent.
About Matthew 13 I would like to comment as follow:
See, the work of our Lord JESUS to preach the Gospel, which God the Father had given to Him for, it was an exceedingly hard and daunting task, much more than it could be to imagined. When our Lord JESUS came, the entire world was corrupted and dominated and ruled by the Devil. Satan had already shewed unto JESUS all the kingdoms of the world, and said unto Him: "All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it, so if thou therefore will worship me, all shall be thine. Great temptation.
That was a great temptation, otherwise let's look at: Satan had already tried to kill Jesus as soon as he was born and fail. JESUS did knew Satan would go to kill Him crucified, so in this temptation the Devil tried to dissuade Jesus from preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, as if to say, Why die crucified? If thou therefore will worship me, all shall be thine. Why die crucified?
Within this satanic environment, to preach the Gospel was a work exceedingly hard for JESUS, as a Man. Jesus was aware that the Devil would use all sorts of plots and would do everything in his power to prevent the preaching of the gospel, or to prevent the spreading and growth of the kingdom of God through the Gospel of Christ.
In Matthew 13 our Lord JESUS describes the strategies of the Devil, revealing unto His disciples how Satan would react to the preaching of the gospel of God's Kingdom, inclusive through evil corruption among the disciples. Note: JESUS, after His ascention, revealed clearly these evil strategies through the 7 Churches of Asia.
Well, speaking of corruption, we know that Satan have corrupted generations since the Garden of Eden. This strategy is a peculiar devil's specialty.
In the other hand, I would like to comment an interesting detail in Matthew 13.
JESUS said it should be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been KEPT SECRET from the foundation of the world, and He explained the parable of tares. saying: the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one, and who sowed the tares was the Devil (yeah, the Devil, he which God has CURSED since the beginning).
But JESUS said there will be an HARVEST, and the HARVEST is the END OF THE WORLD (Matt.13:v.39), yeah the END OF THE WORLD OF THE DEVIL WILL HAPPEN THROUGH THE SEPARATION OF THE TARES, and the REAPERS are the ANGELS. As therefore the TARES are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the END OF THIS WORLD. Matt.13:v.40 combined with Revelation 11:15
41 The Son of man shall send forth his ANGELS, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity. Who are these ANGELS in accord Scriptures? Rev. 1:5-7:
5 From Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us KINGS and PRIESTS unto God and His Father; to Him be Glory and Dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him:
Then the LORD has made us kings and priests. Who are these priests? The Word of God explains who are them:
Malachi 2:v.6-7 - 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did TURN MANY away from iniquity. 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the ANGEL of the Lord of hosts.
That said, they which our Lord made priests are angels. And they shall reaper the tares and cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous - the KINGS and the PRIESTS - shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matt.13:v.42-43
In Christ JESUS, KING of the kings (made by Him), and lord of the lords
Oseas
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