Seventh-Day Adventists

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can you kill someone and love them?

I don't believe you can 'murder' someone and love them but perhaps under the right conditions 'killing' someone could be constured as a show of mercy. So I would it's possible to kill someone and honestly love them.

can you steal from someone and love them?

Again under the right set of circumstances I believe it to be possible. I'm getting the impression you've never studied 'ethics'? Is this correct?

can you worship idols and love God?

Define worship...

just which one of these commandments do you think you can break now that you are under grace and still be loving God and your neighbor?

Do you really think you can love God correctly or completely? It isn't 'our' righteousness which makes us acceptible before God. It's His 'mercy' for us.

or do you think now that you are under grace its ok to kill your neighbor or steal from them or worship idols?

No, that would be antinomianism as I suggest earlier. Grace works through us to perfect us and this perfection is beyond the law because it is perfected in love.

dont you see that God is the one who gets to define what love is?

And He did through the Apostle Paul in the 13th Chapter of 1 Corinthians...

But be clear that much of the Mosiac Law was cultural. The Apostles determined what Gentiles needed to observe and what was no necessary. Obeying the 'letter' of the Mosiac Law maybe a very pious discipline but you cannot yoke every Christian with your brand of piety.

Such creates an idol of your piety just like the Pharisees created an idol of the Mosiac Law.

Please note that I keep stating 'Mosiac' Law. I'm doing that for a reason. Christians, like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses are Children of Promise. Yes, there was a Law but the Law came 'later' due to moral and cultural needs. It's important for us to recognize that we, as Children of the Promise, are not under bondage to the Law but under the freedom of the Promise. Our righteousness is not ours because of we are 'under the law'. It is ours because we are 'under Christ's Promise'. If we deny this we deny the Promise and 'yes' we fall under the Law which is bondage because the Law cannot save but only convict.

Plus I didnt think I should dialogue with you since you went and left the "T" out of my name

Ha! I corrected myself ma'am.

 

[Claudia_T]

the Law cant save anybody


But God made a promise to write that same Law into our minds and hearts

Hebrews
16: This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

 

[bound]

the Law cant save anybody

I'm very glad that we find something to agree on Mrs. Claudia_T.

But God made a promise to write that same Law into our minds and hearts.

Hebrews
16: This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

This appears to be an assumption which you claim through conjecture.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. - Hebrews 10:15-22

From this passage later in Hebrews it appears that this is a 'new covenant' given to us through the Holy Spirit by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

This is not the 'old covenant' but the 'new and everlasting covenant' given to us through Christ and the Holy Spirit. It is the covenant of love...

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

This truth is beyond language and beyond laws. It is transcendent!

I get all excited just discussing it all over again! Thank you Jesus!

You have to separate the 'moral constant' from the 'temporal external observances'. The two are not one. This is why we can eat ham. Such was a 'temporal external observance' and not a 'moral constant'.

May God bring you grace and peace. Amen.

 

[BobRyan]

"This is why we can eat ham"???

Because Christ died for our sins and cleansed the pig????

What kind of doctrine is that!!???

Lev 11 forbids eating rats cats dogs and bats - then we have those who come away from the NT saying "well not any more -- ready for my puppy sandwich".

How in the world does doctrine get so turned on it's head??!!

It is clear from Acts 10 that Peter - long after the cross was STILL not eating rats, cats dogs or bats.

The idea that God's Laws are to be broken to show how much we enjoy the Gospel was something Paul addressed in Romans 3 "Shall we SIN that grace may abound"??

Jesus did not say "If you Love me show it by having no regard at all for My Commandments" pre-cross and He did not say it post-cross either.

There are many who "get this" -- and a striking example of such a group is the Seventh-day Baptists.

The confused teaching that "God's Law IN the heart means BREAKING God's law externally - LITERALLY is now ok" has never stood up to a close review of God's Word.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Claudia_T]

The confused teaching that "God's Law IN the heart means BREAKING God's law externally - LITERALLY is now ok" has never stood up to a close review of God's Word.

In Christ,

Bob

1Timothy 4:1: 'Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils'

Those who teach New Age Spiritualism set aside the Law of God. They teach that the sinful, erring nature of man is the only standard of character, and they claim to have great pity for those Christians who have such "narrow minds" and who are "so weak and superstitious" as to obey the requirements of God's law.'



And now, let's see what top New Age Personality, David Spangler has to say about the Law of God:

'The evolution of the race is for man to learn not how to obey the law but how to be the law. There is a vast, vast difference. If you are the law it means that you are at one with the whole. For divine law simply exists. When a person understands this, then he begins to have that attunement, when he is the law, he is not going to act in any way that will disturb or distort the true balance of the true wholeness... The New Age is an age where there is needed that group of people who through attunement can be self-governing, act as the law, as the divine, as the right, as the love.'-David Spangler, 'Relationship and Identity', pg. 89,91,93​

As you can see, New Age Spiritualists see 'keeping-the Law' as doing everything that they can to 'keep in tune with the Great Universal All', and not in keeping God's Ten Commandment Law. They also believe that they themselves are 'The Law'. David Spangler, New Ager, makes it even clearer in this next statement about how he really feels about God's Law:

'We can take all the Scriptures and all the teachings, and all the tablets and all the Laws, and all the marshmallows and have a jolly good bonfire and marshmallow roast, because that's all they are worth. Once you are the law, once you are the truth, you do not need it externally represented for you.' -David Spangler, 'Emergence: Rebirth of the Sacred', Findhorn Publications, pg. 144


Witchcraft , which is really the same thing as New Age Spiritualism, teaches "Do what you will, but harm none". This is their "Law". They laugh at the Christian teaching of acknowledging the claims of God and obeying His requirements.

This is really no different than Christian preachers today teaching from their pulpits that "we just know the Law inside of us and do not need it externally represented by the 10 commandments". Christians dont realize that Witchcraft teaches all we have to do is have "love"... and we can take the 10 commandments and throw them into the garbage can.

People just dont recognize the voice of the serpent when they hear it.

Unfortunately.


The Devil just wrapped up Spiritualism in a new package and is pawning it off in Christian Churches today.

"Earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the Saints"... to bad so many dont even know what to contend for anymore. Tradition has taken over. Instead of examining the Scroptures so many Christians today just go by whatever their "Fathers" taught them or by whatever the Preachers nowadays tell them is "Truth".


Claudia






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[BobRyan]

#1. The Law of God defines what sin is - it shows mankind to be sinners. Still!

#2. The Law of God defines with the penalty for sin is - second death. It shows that all mankind need a substitute - need a Savior because we can not survive paying our debt of sin.

#3. The Law points out violation - but it does not save.

Hopefully most Christians can agree with this.

#4. The Law of God is ESTABLISHED by our Faith (Rom 3:31) and is Written on the tablets of the human heart (2Cor 3) under the New Covenant (Heb 8).

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Brother Bob]

#1. The Law of God defines what sin is - it shows mankind to be sinners. Still!

#2. The Law of God defines with the penalty for sin is - second death. It shows that all mankind need a substitute - need a Savior because we can not survive paying our debt of sin.

#3. The Law points out violation - but it does not save.

Hopefully most Christians can agree with this.

#4. The Law of God is ESTABLISHED by our Faith (Rom 3:31) and is Written on the tablets of the human heart (2Cor 3) under the New Covenant (Heb 8).

In Christ,

Bob

I agree Bob,
I think Paul put it very well when he said there are those who desire to be teachers of the law and know not what they say and neither do they understand, but we that know the Law, know it is not for the righteous (for its in our hearts and the righteous of the law is fulfilled in us) but for the sinner and ungodly. The Law teaches sin.

 

[Claudia_T]

The key is that God has already defined what "Love" is within the confines of the 10 Commandments, and we are not free as human beings to try to redefine it or to change it.


...basically, because we are not God.

The Roman Catholic Church, on the other hand, thinks She has been given the "divine right" to change God's Law.

2Thes:2:4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That "man of sin" (Lawlessness)

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25.

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."-Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893.

"The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap.

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda.

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25.


Hopefully, "Protest-ants" who supposedly Protest the Catholic Church will not see Herself as well, as having been given "the divine right" to change God's Law, to redefine what Love is, or to decide what day the Sabbath is.

Take notice that the Three Angel's Messages of Revelation 14 begin by quoting right out of the 4th Commandment, the Sabbath Commandment, warning us to "worship Him that made heaven, earth, and the sea" ... the CREATOR... then at the end of the passage after warning of the Mark of the Beast power, it contrasts God's people as "they who keep the Commandments OF GOD"... (not the commandments OF MEN)
Mk:7:9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.


Revelation 14:
6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7: Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8: And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.



Now take note of this... way back in the Old Testament, God said the words Jesus reiterated in the New Testament, "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. "

ALSO take note of the fact that God's 10 commandments were to be "on their hand and forehead" (see verse 8)... Now go back and look at Revelation chapter 14 6-12 again, concerning the Mark of the Beast, in particular this time, at verse 9, the Mark of the Beast would be in the hand or forehead. READ:


Deuteronomy Chapter 6
1: Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments
4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6: And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart
7: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8: And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Obviously Satan's "Mark" would be that they would NOT keep the Commandments OF GOD...

Daniel 7:
25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws

Claudia

 

[bound]

"This is why we can eat ham"???

Because Christ died for our sins and cleansed the pig????

What kind of doctrine is that!!???

Be aware many of us here are adults and rhectoric isn't going to convince us that we're still under the cultural observances of Mosaic Law. Dialogue like a gentleman and show some respect please.

All rhetoric aside you need to read our Lord and Saviour and the Apostle Paul to understand the 'spiritual' Law which reigns over our hearts.

It's not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, it's what comes out of your mouth. Nothing is unclean. No food is unclean. You are confusing being cultural 'ritual' unclean with being sinful.

Lev 11 forbids eating rats cats dogs and bats - then we have those who come away from the NT saying "well not any more -- ready for my puppy sandwich".

Again, nothing is unclean regardless if it might be culturally shocking for Westerners to eat a 'puppy sandwich'.

How in the world does doctrine get so turned on it's head??!!

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. - Romans 14:14

It is clear from Acts 10 that Peter - long after the cross was STILL not eating rats, cats dogs or bats.

He also wouldn't sit with the gentiles either but that didn't make it right...

The idea that God's Laws are to be broken to show how much we enjoy the Gospel was something Paul addressed in Romans 3 "Shall we SIN that grace may abound"??

Kosher Law does not establish righteousness. Again the Apostle Paul:

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. - Romans 14:14

Jesus did not say "If you Love me show it by having no regard at all for My Commandments" pre-cross and He did not say it post-cross either.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. - Matthew 15:9-11

There are many who "get this" -- and a striking example of such a group is the Seventh-day Baptists.

They would be teaching 'commandments of men' and not what Christ taught.

The confused teaching that "God's Law IN the heart means BREAKING God's law externally - LITERALLY is now ok" has never stood up to a close review of God's Word.

Mosaic Law express many of the laws of God in a very broken and incomplete way. Jesus Christ was the Great Teacher in Spirit and Truth not Moses who brought the Law.

When you take the Law over Christ you lose.

I hope that any further dialogue with you will cease with the rhetoric and insults and treat members of this online community with respect. It's the Christian thing to do.

Good Day.

 

[Claudia_T]

Well I used to have Swine Casserole myself till I realized that the little trichinosis dont stop to ask first if you are a Jew or a Christian. Not sure why but they just dont bother to.

Its funny but Christians become sick and then blame God for it. They dont realize that when Satan quoted Scripture and asked Jesus to go jump off a building when He was being tempted in the wilderness, Jesus refused to do that and He said instead to the Devil:

"It is written AGAIN, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God".

The Devil is good at quoting Scripture, trying to make us believe its ok to just be careless with our bodies. But you just dont go around tossing yourself off buildings and using the Scriptures to support the idea and expect God is going to catch you...


Matthew 4:
5: Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6: And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.


Satan will snatch the Bible right out of your hand, quote Scripture from it and hand it right back to you.


1Cor:6:20: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1Cor:10:31: Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.


Its not like we are supposed to go eat some fried trichinosis for lunch and then blame God for making us sick. Like when the Apostle Paul got bitten by the serpent, well God took care of him and made the poison of no effect, but when Christians go around handling snakes to try to show their "faith in God" to protect them, you know what happens? You end up with dead Christians some of the time... then they claim these people just didnt have any faith in God.

But you know what? Im thinking that maybe it would've been a good idea not to go around tempting God, as Jesus said.


Claudia

 

[Amy.G]

Well I used to have Swine Casserole myself till I realized that the little trichinosis dont stop to ask first if you are a Jew or a Christian. Not sure why but they just dont bother to.

You're supposed to cook your swine first to kill those little buggers. :laugh: :laugh:
Seriously, I assume from these posts that SDA's don't eat pork? I didn't know that.

 

[Claudia_T]

well I dont know, I just dont like the idea of eating fried larvae worms.... you know, if God tells us not to eat something, there's a reason for telling us that... I guess one could get them out of the swine meat and fry them up and use them as croutons on their salad though... yummmmmmm Crunchy!

http://www.cdc.gov


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Trichinellosis, also called trichinosis, is caused by eating raw or undercooked meat of animals infected with the larvae of a species of worm called Trichinella. Infection occurs commonly in certain wild carnivorous (meat-eating) animals but may also occur in domestic pigs.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]What are the symptoms of a trichinellosis infection?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, fatigue, fever, and abdominal discomfort are the first symptoms of trichinellosis. Headaches, fevers, chills, cough, eye swelling, aching joints and muscle pains, itchy skin, diarrhea, or constipation follow the first symptoms. If the infection is heavy, patients may experience difficulty coordinating movements, and have heart and breathing problems. In severe cases, death can occur.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]For mild to moderate infections, most symptoms subside within a few months. Fatigue, weakness, and diarrhea may last for months.[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[bound]

The key is that God has already defined what "Love" is within the confines of the 10 Commandments, and we are not free as human beings to try to redefine it or to change it.

Hi Claudia_T,

Boy, I have to disagree with you there. You both really come across as Muslims to me.

Why do you think Christ died on the Cross?

Why did He teach that Kocher Law was a commandment of men?

Why did the Apostle Paul teach the same thing?

...basically, because we are not God.

But Christ 'was' and we study his teachings which illuminate the true meaning of the Law through the Holy Spirit.

The Roman Catholic Church, on the other hand, thinks She has been given the "divine right" to change God's Law.

Well I believe that is for Catholics to workout 'not' Baptists.

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25

Sounds like you would have sided with the Pharisees in condemning Jesus. Would you?

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."-Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893.

I believe the Eastern Orthodox would have something to say about this claim.

"The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap.

Again the Patriarch of Rome was 'one of five' other Patriarchs who together with the Body of Believers 'binded and loosed' on earth and in heaven as Jesus taught.

Morals are universal and for all time but pious observance is temporal.

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda.

The Patriarch of Rome has some issues with authority with the rest of the Church. I suggest we pray for him.

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25.

Hopefully, "Protest-ants" who supposedly Protest the Catholic Church will not see Herself as well, as having been given "the divine right" to change God's Law, to redefine what Love is, or to decide what day the Sabbath is.

I am a 'Christ-ian' not a 'Protest-ant'. The authority of the Patriarch of Rome was over-stepped and in so doing he lost favor with God and lost favor with God's Church.

Take notice that the Three Angel's Messages of Revelation 14 begin by quoting right out of the 4th Commandment, the Sabbath Commandment, warning us to "worship Him that made heaven, earth, and the sea" ... the CREATOR... then at the end of the passage after warning of the Mark of the Beast power, it contrasts God's people as "they who keep the Commandments OF GOD"... (not the commandments OF MEN)

Your reaching again... Worship should be everyday not just on the Sabbath.

Mk:7:9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

And who was he speaking to? Did they worship on the Sabbath?

At this point... I would call your post 'flooding'. You don't need to do this in order to make your point.

Keep it short and sweet. You can't take every statement to 'worship' and 'keep the commandments' assume it means to keep Kosher Law and worship on the Sabbath.

I asked you in a pervious post to define 'worship' and you didn't. I'd ask again... define 'worship'. What is it you think we 'must' do on the Sabbath and why?

Remember, I'm only going to dialogue with you if you maintain 'respect' and cease 'flooding'. This is a warning.

Good Day

 

[Amy.G]

well I dont know, I just dont like the idea of eating fried larvae worms.... you know, if God tells us not to eat something, there's a reason for telling us that...

Do you eat beef? There are parasites and organisms in all meat. Cooking it kills them.
Didn't mean to hijack the thread. :1_grouphug:

 

[Claudia_T]

i Timothy 4:4 says "Every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused"

but verse 3 refers to meets "which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving" by His people. hese meats are the clean meats listed in Leviticus chapter 11.

verse 5 tells why these animals or foods are acceptable, it is because they are "sanctified" by God's Word, which says they are clean by a prayer of God's blessing.

But in Isaiah 66:17 it says God will destroy they who try to "sanctify themselves" while eating unclean foods...



Think of Noah's ark and the animals let on 2 by 2 and 7 by 7

 

[Amy.G]

i Timothy 4:4 says "Every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused"

but verse 3 refers to meets "which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving" by His people. hese meats are the clean meats listed in Leviticus chapter 11.

verse 5 tells why these animals or foods are acceptable, it is because they are "sanctified" by God's Word, which says they are clean by a prayer of God's blessing.

But in Isaiah 66:17 it says God will destroy they who try to "sanctify themselves" while eating unclean foods...



Think of Noah's ark and the animals let on 2 by 2 and 7 by 7

Acts (Peter's vision) 10:11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
10:12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
10:13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
10:15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."
Obviously, Peter saw "unclean" animals on this "sheet" and God told him to kill and eat them, and he refused until God said they were now clean. God has said what He has cleansed you must not call unclean. Yet, that is what you are doing.

 

[Amy.G]

i Timothy 4:4 says "Every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused"

but verse 3 refers to meets "which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving" by His people. hese meats are the clean meats listed in Leviticus chapter 11.

verse 5 tells why these animals or foods are acceptable, it is because they are "sanctified" by God's Word, which says they are clean by a prayer of God's blessing.

But in Isaiah 66:17 it says God will destroy they who try to "sanctify themselves" while eating unclean foods...



Think of Noah's ark and the animals let on 2 by 2 and 7 by 7

1 Timothy 4:3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
4:5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (refer back to Acts 10)

 

[Samuel Owen]

The Seventh Day Adventist claim they do not say; that others won’t be saved. But they claim to be teaching the only true religion, and the only way of salvation for the end time. They claim to be; or make themselves a parallel to the 144,000 elect by God for this purpose.

But wait; then who can be saved, since they teach by not accepting their doctrines of law (sabbath worship), you have taken the “mark of the beast”. As we all know those who take the mark of the beast will not go to Heaven, but to the everlasting fires of Hell. So now who does that leave, the “Seventh Day Adventists”, and those who believe in like manner.

Now I submit as Martin Luther did when he submitted his Ninety-Five Theses, to the door of the Wittenberg Church. Exposing the Catholic Church’s sale of indulgences, and doctrines of “church laws” that must be obeyed for salvation. That the Grace of God (faith in Jesus Christ alone) wasn't sufficient without following laws, and church dogmas. That the Seventh Day Adventist have done exactly the same.
The Seventh Day Adventist have long and hard accused the RCC for being the “Anti-Christ”, and a false religion. But it seems they are the very beast, they have been accusing others of.

Be sure to file this one too. Bob.

 

[Claudia_T]

The Seventh Day Adventist claim they do not say; that others won’t be saved. But they claim to be teaching the only true religion, and the only way of salvation for the end time. They claim to be; or make themselves a parallel to the 144,000 elect by God for this purpose.

But wait; then who can be saved, since they teach by not accepting their doctrines of law (sabbath worship), you have taken the “mark of the beast”. As we all know those who take the mark of the beast will not go to Heaven, but to the everlasting fires of Hell. So now who does that leave, the “Seventh Day Adventists”, and those who believe in like manner.
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wrong again.

 

[Claudia_T]

Samuel,


you need to pay close attention. No one at this time has the Mark of the Beast, God's people are to be found in all denominations, and SDAs do not claim to be the 144,000.


1: And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2: And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3: For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4: And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.



God does not at this time condemn anybody until a certain time when all are aware of what it is they are really involved in.. ignorance is the key


Acts 17:
28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29: Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30: And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent


Jms:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.