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No. You can't say "usually". My husband and I came within a hair of filing bankruptcy. We owned a business for 5 years that because of the housing industry going belly up, our business failed. It wasn't because of improper management. We worked with a lawyer and our bank for over a year. We owed NOTHING other than the business loan and a little on our house. We were advised by the bank to sell our house and pay down the debt on the business, which we did, and the bank released the house from the business loan. We sold almost all of our personal property and kept only the dollar amount allowed by the courts. The business property (18 acres of land) went into foreclosure and was auctioned off at the courthouse. We were told it did not sell.
Just a day or so before we filed with the court, we learned that the bank had sold our mortgage long before and had to buy it back. Our attorney advised us to make an offer of a cash settlement in order to be released from all liability and debt. We did and the bank accepted. We are now free of a huuuge debt we could not pay. But even if we had filed bankruptcy, the bank got 5 years of interest plus the property. We owed nothing on credit cards, dr. bills or anything.
So don't be so quick to judge others. Not everyone who files bankruptcy is an irresponsible crook.
BTW, there is NO doubt in my mind that God worked all that out. It still blows my mind!
How do these examples relate to the topic at hand?
I thought we were judging people..., sorry, by bad.
continue to serve as an active Deacon after filing Chapter 7 bankrupcy?
No but you certainly implied it.
No. You can't say "usually". My husband and I came within a hair of filing bankruptcy. We owned a business for 5 years that because of the housing industry going belly up, our business failed. It wasn't because of improper management. We worked with a lawyer and our bank for over a year. We owed NOTHING other than the business loan and a little on our house. We were advised by the bank to sell our house and pay down the debt on the business, which we did, and the bank released the house from the business loan. We sold almost all of our personal property and kept only the dollar amount allowed by the courts. The business property (18 acres of land) went into foreclosure and was auctioned off at the courthouse. We were told it did not sell.
Just a day or so before we filed with the court, we learned that the bank had sold our mortgage long before and had to buy it back. Our attorney advised us to make an offer of a cash settlement in order to be released from all liability and debt. We did and the bank accepted. We are now free of a huuuge debt we could not pay. But even if we had filed bankruptcy, the bank got 5 years of interest plus the property. We owed nothing on credit cards, dr. bills or anything.
So don't be so quick to judge others. Not everyone who files bankruptcy is an irresponsible crook.
BTW, there is NO doubt in my mind that God worked all that out. It still blows my mind!
Amy you are adding to what I said. I never used the term "irresponsible crook" and I never said "everyone." You are not telling the truth with such statements. Your implication of such is actually a lie.
continue to serve as an active Deacon after filing Chapter 7 bankrupcy?
Amy does not normally do that. She usually speaks the truth with others, but in this case she added to what I said. You have displeasure in hearing the truth because you yuorself commonly misquote others and add to what they say.Oh stop your nonsense fal, no one is "adding to what you've said." Get control of yourself here. If she put it in quotes, then maybe she might be adding to what you said. You're the one adding to what she said, that is what is happening.
Amy never said you made those statements. You really need to learn how to treat others as a Christian would. You and your calling others liars is getting really really old and becoming more and more frequent. Fact is, it is you who is stretching the truth and exaggerating what others say in order for you to make your statements. Learn to stop misrepresenting people, as you are bearing false witness here.
Amy isn't lying, you need to apologize and learn how to get along with others and quit fabricating what others say.
Oh stop your nonsense fal, no one is "adding to what you've said." Get control of yourself here. If she put it in quotes, then maybe she might be adding to what you said. You're the one adding to what she said, that is what is happening.
Amy never said you made those statements. You really need to learn how to treat others as a Christian would. You and your calling others liars is getting really really old and becoming more and more frequent. Fact is, it is you who is stretching the truth and exaggerating what others say in order for you to make your statements. Learn to stop misrepresenting people, as you are bearing false witness here.
Amy isn't lying, you need to apologize and learn how to get along with others and quit fabricating what others say.
Believers on this forum could be discussing the over-haul of a 1957 Chevy Transmission but looking beyond the specific topic..., judging is the real topic.
John the Baptist is the only man recorded in the Bible who was born with the Spirit of the Lord already in place. (Luke 1:17, "And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias....") The rest of us are subject to all sort of imperfections, including you!
It might just be a healthy endeavor for us if we give some of the less fortunate a break now and again.
Amy you are adding to what I said. I never used the term "irresponsible crook" and I never said "everyone." You are not telling the truth with such statements. Your implication of such is actually a lie.
...seems to forgotten that to them that have been forgiven of their debt, that the Lord expects us to show same kind of forgiveness towards others...
I am not judging any person. I am calling sin sin. It is a sin to steal. Not paying what you owe is stealing.John the Baptist is the only man recorded in the Bible who was born with the Spirit of the Lord already in place. (Luke 1:17, "And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias....") The rest of us are subject to all sort of imperfections, including you!
It might just be a healthy endeavor for us if we give some of the less fortunate a break now and again.
And we need to be clear as well: people keep throwing the emotional argument of having compassion on the 'less fortunate', or those in debt. This isn't about the less fortunate or those in debt. Debt is not the issue. Most people have some form of debt. The issue is bankrupcy, or declaring that you're not going to repay those that you owe, stealing from them.
Yes. :thumbs: