Should a pastor be permitted to have a beer once in while?

[padredurand]

I leave my beer drinking for deer camp. Shoot a deer. Drink a beer. Obviously not at the same time. Nothing like a quiet relaxing night at the cabin, fire roaring in the woodstove, feet up, re-telling the same story of how you shot your deer and a cold one.

It's a win-win for me. I can tick off the anti-hunters and the teetotalers all at once.

 

[salzer mtn]

In the south if you want to ruin your Christian testimony, then get caught drinking a beer.

 

[tyndale1946]

In the south if you want to ruin your Christian testimony, then get caught drinking a beer.

Isn't that area considered "The Bible Belt"?... I agree Christians should be filled with H.S... Not Bud... Brother Glen

 

[salzer mtn]

Isn't that area considered "The Bible Belt"?... I agree Christians should be filled with H.S... Not Bud... Brother Glen

Yes, it is the bible belt. I am going to tell a story about why one Christian man quit drinking beer as he told it to me. This man was a drinker when he was lost but after he was saved he quit drinking. Then something happened, he joined a church and the preacher and his preacher buddies and some of the congregation all drank on occasions. One day this man was setting at home with his three year old son drinking a beer and a couple of unsaved men pulled up in the drive way. He told me he set his beer down on the table as he didn't want lost people to see him drinking because they would not understand a Christian has liberties. as he was talking to the two men outside, his son came walking up to him from the house with beer in hand and said, Here dad is your beer, you forgot it. The man told me this was the most embarrassing thing he had ever had happen to him. The man don't drink any more.

 

[agedman]

Being a teetotaler is not bondage, rather a great blessing.

 

[Gib]

So many in the Bible belt are against drinking alcoholic beverages, but have no problem gorging themselves at the buffet on Saturdays and Sundays. Oh they'll gossip and tear down just about anyone they see drinking a beer. That's because they are against it. But, they don't have any problems going to the seafood buffet and going back for seconds two or three times. Picking up a bowl peach cobbler, 2 chocolate cookies, a piece of that fresh carrot cake, a sweet tea with 3 refills. All the while gossiping about the fella they saw drinking a beer.

 

[Zaac]

Christmas season is coming up soon... Stay away from those dessert Rum Balls... Brother Glen

Lol. Never had any of those either.

 

[Zaac]

Actually, in most cases most of the alcohol is NOT cooked off. I need to find the chart again but even flambe'ing something leaves 85% of the alcohol behind.

Yeah I remember a similar chart. The only thing that really gets rid of a substantial part of the alcohol is cooking for more than, I think, it was 2.5 hours.

 

[salzer mtn]

So many in the Bible belt are against drinking alcoholic beverages, but have no problem gorging themselves at the buffet on Saturdays and Sundays. Oh they'll gossip and tear down just about anyone they see drinking a beer. That's because they are against it. But, they don't have any problems going to the seafood buffet and going back for seconds two or three times. Picking up a bowl peach cobbler, 2 chocolate cookies, a piece of that fresh carrot cake, a sweet tea with 3 refills. All the while gossiping about the fella they saw drinking a beer.

I would say over eating is a problem all over the USA As far as gossiping, I believe in the south you will find more well mannered Christian people than in any other region.

 

[annsni]

Being a teetotaler is not bondage, rather a great blessing.

Honestly, it depends on the heart behind the behavior choice. One who is a teetotaler because of fear is in great bondage. One who chooses to not drink because of love is not in bondage.

 

[annsni]

Yeah I remember a similar chart. The only thing that really gets rid of a substantial part of the alcohol is cooking for more than, I think, it was 2.5 hours.

Yep. Here it is:

http://www.ochef.com/165.htm

I think it's important to understand this in case one is cooking for someone who refuses to drink or who is a recovering alcoholic. It shows that the idea of alcohol cooking off is a fallacy.

 

[Zaac]

Yep. Here it is:

http://www.ochef.com/165.htm

I think it's important to understand this in case one is cooking for someone who refuses to drink or who is a recovering alcoholic. It shows that the idea of alcohol cooking off is a fallacy.

Yep. That's the chart that I had seen. it's fascinating because I think most folks were under the impression that if you cook with it, all of the alcohol gets cooked off.

I just imagine folks going to dinner and then getting a DUI but not having drank anything. Wouldn't THAT be a torrid mess? Sitting there arguing with the police officer about how he was wrong and his breathalyzer was wrong because you know you hadn't had a drink.

 

[Calypsis4]

'Wine s a mocker, strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise' Proverbs 20:1.

How is one deceived by liquor or intoxicating beverages? Hint: The "I can hold my liquor" attitude. The thought that a little won't hurt,...never mind that it qualifies as poison. You see, the word intoxicating comes from the word 'toxin' which = poison. One drink begins the poisoning and it starts to slow the mind down by degree.

If you knew that that luscious apple pie that someone offers you had only 1% arsenic in it would you eat the pie?

Anything intoxicating should be off limits for a Christian and the 'I only drink in moderation' attitude should be eliminated. Can one commit fornication in 'moderation'? Can one commit adlutery in 'moderation'? Can one lie in 'moderation'? Of course not. So the command to do things in 'moderation' has a different application as it concerns drinking intoxicating beverages.

 

[Zaac]

'Wine s a mocker, strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise' Proverbs 20:1.

How is one deceived by liquor or intoxicating beverages? Hint: The "I can hold my liquor" attitude. The thought that a little won't hurt,...never mind that it qualifies as poison. You see, the word intoxicating comes from the word 'toxin' which = poison. One drink begins the poisoning and it starts to slow the mind down by degree.

If you knew that that luscious apple pie that someone offers you had only 1% arsenic in it would you eat the pie?

Anything intoxicating should be off limits for a Christian and the 'I only drink in moderation' attitude should be eliminated. Can one commit fornication in 'moderation'? Can one commit adlutery in 'moderation'? Can one lie in 'moderation'? Of course not. So the command to do things in 'moderation' has a different application as it concerns drinking intoxicating beverages.

How DARE you tell folks they can't drink poison in moderation!!!

 

[Rob_BW]

Here we go comparing alcohol to outright sins again.

Whether the comparison is to porn or fornication, how does one then interpret our Savior miraculously supplying wine to a wedding feast? Or the use of wine in the Last Supper? Or the wime offering in the temple?

 

[annsni]

'Wine s a mocker, strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise' Proverbs 20:1.

How is one deceived by liquor or intoxicating beverages? Hint: The "I can hold my liquor" attitude. The thought that a little won't hurt,...never mind that it qualifies as poison. You see, the word intoxicating comes from the word 'toxin' which = poison. One drink begins the poisoning and it starts to slow the mind down by degree.

If you knew that that luscious apple pie that someone offers you had only 1% arsenic in it would you eat the pie?

Anything intoxicating should be off limits for a Christian and the 'I only drink in moderation' attitude should be eliminated. Can one commit fornication in 'moderation'? Can one commit adlutery in 'moderation'? Can one lie in 'moderation'? Of course not. So the command to do things in 'moderation' has a different application as it concerns drinking intoxicating beverages.

We can say the same about sugar, caffeine, asparateme, etc.

 

[annsni]

Yep. That's the chart that I had seen. it's fascinating because I think most folks were under the impression that if you cook with it, all of the alcohol gets cooked off.

I just imagine folks going to dinner and then getting a DUI but not having drank anything. Wouldn't THAT be a torrid mess? Sitting there arguing with the police officer about how he was wrong and his breathalyzer was wrong because you know you hadn't had a drink.

That would be pretty hard to get up to a level to have a DUI by eating food made with alcohol. It takes a few drinks to get to the .08 you need for a DUI and even when I make something with hard liquor (let's use my penne a la vodka for example), I only use about a 1/4 cup for the entire recipe. It feeds 6 so that means each person, if NO alcohol gets burned off, gets 2 teaspoons worth of alcohol. I doubt one would have much of an effect on their blood alcohol level by eating 2 tsp. of alcohol. LOL

 

[Calypsis4]

Here we go comparing alcohol to outright sins again.

Whether the comparison is to porn or fornication, how does one then interpret our Savior miraculously supplying wine to a wedding feast? Or the use of wine in the Last Supper? Or the wime offering in the temple?

Unfermented grape juice. That's why He referred to it as 'the fruit of the vine' at the Lord's supper. It had not had time to degenerate into a poisonous drink.

 

[Calypsis4]

We can say the same about sugar, caffeine, asparateme, etc.

Perhaps. I have diabetes now because of my unwise use of sugar.

 

[Zaac]

We can say the same about sugar, caffeine, asparateme, etc.

Aspartame is nothing more than FDA approved poison. All about the money. Wood alcohol will NEVER be good for the human body.