NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Should Christians rally behind the 2ND AMENDMENT?
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A large number of people have made excellent arguments on this thread on how the legality of firearms makes them saver. That doesn't change the fact that I am statistically a lot less likely to get murdered than any of the Americans posting here, except for C4K and a couple of others like him who live outside of the USA.
How come?
How come?
NaasPreacher (C4K)
Well-Known Member
Our police aren't even armed here and I STILL feel safe walking through town - even most parts of Dublin.
I don't go to the wrong parts of Dublin
I don't go to the wrong parts of Dublin
Marcia
Active Member
Thanks again for your post, and especially for your encouraging and cheering words at the end!
I have to disagree with the above, however. If this were true, why is it that many other countries where people generally do not have guns do not have this problem? Why are gun murders so high here? Because guns are legal and easy to get. They are not easy to get in Europe. As Mioque said:
If guns were very hard to get and very few could have them, it would be safer, just like it is in most of Europe. Of course, the US has gone too far down the gun road for that to happen now.
This past June, a 12 year old went into his school armed with several guns (from his home) here in the No VA area to shoot people. It was only due to a sharp-eared vice-principal who heard the student loading guns in the restroom that a tragedy was averted. So should principals and teachers have guns in their offices and drawers? Because guns are easy to get and "bad" people have them, then it makes more and more people get them until we are all walking around with guns, and this is supposed to be safer?? Where does it end?
We have to remember that a lot of regular people end up shooting others, too, when they are mad or get jealous.
Marcia
Active Member
So this should be part of the Christian worldview? Before I was a Christian I didn't have a gun, but now that I am, I should adopt the Christian "strong rules the weak" mentality and "blow away the thief" mentality (from other thread)? Somehow, it just not jiving with how God changed me since I enountered Christ.
Marcia,
Of course we have another world view now that we are saved. We have the Christian World view. We see all things through the lenses of our Faith in Jesus Christ.
But we still live in the world. While I am comfortable going unarmed in most places in America I am not comfortable being in places or situations with my grandchildren or my wife without having some means of protecting them from potential violence.
I would give my life for any member of my family and a lot of other folks - but I will not throw it away needlessly IF some drug crazed nut or a savage pit bull dog decides he wants to do my family harm.
I have never killed anyone - not during the year I was in a war zone nor during the other years of my life that I have owned guns. I hope I never have to. But I will not hesitate to protect my family with a gun, a knife, a stick, a rock, or with my own body should it come to that.
I don't subscribe to the "Blow the Thief away" mentality - better to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive. BUT if that thief when confronted, pulls his own gun or knife IN MY HOUSE then I will shoot him.
I don't see anything about that inconsistent with Baptist History or American History or Christian History. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
Of course we have another world view now that we are saved. We have the Christian World view. We see all things through the lenses of our Faith in Jesus Christ.
But we still live in the world. While I am comfortable going unarmed in most places in America I am not comfortable being in places or situations with my grandchildren or my wife without having some means of protecting them from potential violence.
I would give my life for any member of my family and a lot of other folks - but I will not throw it away needlessly IF some drug crazed nut or a savage pit bull dog decides he wants to do my family harm.
I have never killed anyone - not during the year I was in a war zone nor during the other years of my life that I have owned guns. I hope I never have to. But I will not hesitate to protect my family with a gun, a knife, a stick, a rock, or with my own body should it come to that.
I don't subscribe to the "Blow the Thief away" mentality - better to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive. BUT if that thief when confronted, pulls his own gun or knife IN MY HOUSE then I will shoot him.
I don't see anything about that inconsistent with Baptist History or American History or Christian History. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
But you're more likely to be murdered than a citizen of Switzerland where every male, when he turns 20, is issued a full automatic military rifle and required to keep it at home.
Sure makes you wonder doesn't it?
"But you're more likely to be murdered than a citizen of Switzerland where every male, when he turns 20, is issued a full automatic military rifle and required to keep it at home."
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Apparently not.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
The Dutch murderrate is slightly lower than that of Switzerland. At least it was in 1994.
Still that is less relevant than the fact that C4K is easily the person least likely to get murdered on the BB.
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Apparently not.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
The Dutch murderrate is slightly lower than that of Switzerland. At least it was in 1994.
Still that is less relevant than the fact that C4K is easily the person least likely to get murdered on the BB.
Point #1 - Your point is well taken.
Point #2 - You don't have to - And Christians don't generally live with that kind of world view - but we also have to be realistic. We live in a world where the strong (Financially and Politically) generally rule the weak. That's true in America and it's true in third world countries as well. The difference in America is that we enjoy certain freedoms guaranteed by our constitution including the freedom to bear arms.
Craigbythesea
Well-Known Member
No.
Ed Edwards
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No. </font>[/QUOTE]Amen, Brother Craigbythesea -- Preach it!
1 Corinthians 7:20 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible )
Each person should remain in the life
situation in which he was called.
So we hunters who got saved should fight
for guns. We peacenicks who got saved should
struggle for no guns.
Baptist in Richmond, I thought we have all agreed to forgive and to forget, and move on, but if you want to stir the pot... then here we go, I posted some views that are the views of the Baptist Church, and quoted from the Word of God, and was attacked by people that claim to be Baptist them selves. If that is'nt martyrdom, then what would be the proper articulation be?
And, yes, I questioned someones Salvation, and did so accordining to the following scriture: 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man recieveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are follishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritualy discerned.
1 Corintians 2:16 (KJV) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
and as a Baptist, and a Christian, and a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, if I see the signs of a lost soul then : Ezekiel 33:8 (KJV) When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
It is my calling as a Beliver to help the Holy Sirit convict people that they are sinners, and lost, and once a person realizes there need for salvation, then we can harvest, and lead them to the saveing knowlage of the Lord Jesus Christ. You may not know this but some people have said the sinners prayer, but didn't realy mean it cause they were not convicted that they were sinners yet. So with that said , it is not inapropriate to share the gosple on a Baptist Board forum, I might be a new comer here, but I have known Jesus for quite some time, and am an ambassitor of Christ. Hopfuly we can all drop it now and move on, agree?
Yea there are views of the Baptist Church, you certainly wouldn't worship Mary in a Baptist Church, or Observe seventh day adventest views, or Mormon views, because the Baptist Church have thier own views, and guide lines, my poor misguided monique. And being attacked for your faith if not a martyr, then what? If you truly are a Baptist, then learn to respect the Word of God, and how you address, the Men of faith . I would ,and am embarrest to think if a non Christian was reading your replys that they would get the wrong idea about our Faith.
Ed Edwards
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It is my calling to
spell correct (or proof read for typos)
my brothers and sisters.
That should be "Holy Spirit" instead of "sirit".
That should be "saving" instead of "saveing.
Brother Ed, you are a better speller then I, but you realy nead to learn to read as I quoted stats. the number of Accidental deaths by guns and doctors not the Actual because the number of actule deaths under a doctor care would increase as well, But thats all right if God can forgive you then so can I.Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
According to Time Almanic 2003, the death
stats in the USofA in 1998 were as follows;
Referecnce: Deaths by firearms were 28,874
The leading death causes were
(from largest to smallest):
[the number in parens after the # of deaths
is the first number divided by 28,874.
This then is the number of people that died
for each firearm death.
1. heart - 709,894 (25)
2. cancer - 551,833 (19)
3. stroke 166,026 (6)
4. lower resp - 123,000 (4)
5. accidents 93,592 (3)
For every firearm death there are
25+19+6+4+2 = 56 deaths by leading cause.
While the deaths for fire arms is
29,000 -- we think little of killing
45,000 a year to drive about willy-nilly
Marcia
Active Member
Rooster, as far as being attacked for your faith, please note this is a DEBATE forum and we tend to disagree and debate issues here. Debating and disagreeing politely is not considered attacking.
Yes, people can be murdered in ways other than a gun, but it sure is a lot harder. You can kill someone quicker and further away from them with a gun. The overwhelming number of murders are by guns, because it is easy to pick up a gun. From all the murder trial transcripts I read, the largest number of them were by gun. A smaller percentage were strangulation, and then a very few with blunt objects. These were just capital cases (murder convictions) - does not include manslaughter which went to another department.
Countries where it is hard to get guns have very low rates of homicide. The USA is the king of homicide (outside a few countries like Colombia and maybe Mexico, but that's not saying much for us, is it?).
Rooster
I said"That doesn't change the fact that I am statistically a lot less likely to get murdered than any of the Americans posting here, except for C4K and a couple of others like him who live outside of the USA."
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You said"you could be murdered in any part of the world, look at how many missionaries are murdered in the field just for telling people about Christ."
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Ofcourse, C4K however lives in Ireland, that has one of the lowest murderrates on earth.
In my country (or in Switzerland) you are roughly twice as likely to get murdered each year as someone living in Ireland. Somebody living in the US is roughly 10 times as likely to get murdered each year, compared to a person living in Ireland.
I said"That doesn't change the fact that I am statistically a lot less likely to get murdered than any of the Americans posting here, except for C4K and a couple of others like him who live outside of the USA."
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You said"you could be murdered in any part of the world, look at how many missionaries are murdered in the field just for telling people about Christ."
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Ofcourse, C4K however lives in Ireland, that has one of the lowest murderrates on earth.
In my country (or in Switzerland) you are roughly twice as likely to get murdered each year as someone living in Ireland. Somebody living in the US is roughly 10 times as likely to get murdered each year, compared to a person living in Ireland.