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Should every Christian be a young Earth creationist?

SavedByGrace

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Why are you reading your views into my comment? We were speaking of creation were we not? Try to keep up with the conversation.

If your faith is dependent upon the time frame of creation you are trusting in the wrong thing. Creation does not save you. The God of creation does.

Your lack of understanding what I am saying shows that you really don't know what this thread is about :rolleyes:
 

JD731

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Well I

Well I can’t really do that, can I?
I’m simply saying their meaning is veiled in brevity and mystery.
God’s words were written to teach people of the faith to be encouraged and to gain wisdom in hope.
(Rom. 15:4; 2 Tim. 3:16-17).

It was not written to teach us cosmology.
Scripture was written to people of a different time, culture and understanding. The ancients couldn’t imagine the vastness of God’s creation. God gave us what was needed… a hope when there was no hope.

Rob
Rob, think.

The scriptures say this.

1 ¶ «To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.» The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

The heavens have a voice and their words could justify sinners when that and a conscience was all they had.

Ro 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them (in men who hold the truth in unrighteousness); for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

yep, the heaven and the earth came into existence at the same time and the same first day. Ussher says it was on Oct 23 4004 BC and my guess is that he was not far off. If one cannot believe the creation account, what can one believe?
 

Deacon

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You know, JD,
I can agree with your post fully…

…up until you insert the word, “yup”.
Please show me where the date is in Scripture.
If it’s not there, it’s interpretation.

Rob
 

JD731

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You know, JD,
I can agree with your post fully…

…up until you insert the word, “yup”.
Please show me where the date is in Scripture.
If it’s not there, it’s interpretation.

Rob


Well the scriptures are their own evidence. The way I understand Ussher coming to this time is by using dates of events, that can be agreed on and firmly established as starting points, and calculating the generation dates and times in the tables in scripture. For instance, this method has the age of the creation at the time of Noah's flood being 1656 years. Why can't we believe that?
 

SavedByGrace

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Well the scriptures are their own evidence. The way I understand Ussher coming to this time is by using dates of events, that can be agreed on and firmly established as starting points, and calculating the generation dates and times in the tables in scripture. For instance, this method has the age of the creation at the time of Noah's flood being 1656 years. Why can't we believe that?

There are gaps in the history of the world which cannot be accounted for. What Ussher says is only supposition as it is impossible to be dogmatic about the actual age of the Universe
 

JD731

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We know God is counting time in the earthly realm as the evening and the morning equals one day. We know he created different things on each day for 6 days. He made the sun, moon, and stars on day 4. Here is the way God calculates this day. On earth it is measured as 24 hours equally divided in evening and morning. But in heaven he likens the day to be as 1000 years and 1000 years as one day. So the stars were made on day 1 and day 4. All creation was completed on day 1.in this equation.

By this method we can be sure that the angel who became the Serpent and who deceived Eve was created on day four and on day one. This was on the same day Adam was created on the one hand and two days before he was created on the other. Remember that God was saying all things were very good until day 6.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So the deceiver was not around on day 6.
 

JD731

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There are gaps in the history of the world which cannot be accounted for. What Ussher says is only supposition as it is impossible to be dogmatic about the actual age of the Universe

Talking about suppositions. You are supposing there are gaps. Show us one. If the creation is not 6000 years old then there is no good reason to study the scriptures for faith and knowledge.
 

SavedByGrace

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Talking about suppositions. You are supposing there are gaps. Show us one. If the creation is not 6000 years old then there is no good reason to study the scriptures for faith and knowledge.

Are There Gaps in the Genealogies of Genesis? - Christian Research Institute

There is evidence showing that it is not possible to conclude that the universe is around 6000 years old

I very much believe that the earth we live in is very young, but I can't show from the Bible that it is definitely no more than 6000 years, as this is impossible from the data that we have in the Bible
 

Silverhair

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Your lack of understanding what I am saying shows that you really don't know what this thread is about :rolleyes:

I understand what you would like people to agree with but as you have seen not everyone does. You seem to be more concerned about your YE creationism than you are about trusting in the creator.

It is not lack of understanding it is lack of concern. You are all twisted up over something that does not matter in relation to ones salvation.
 

JD731

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Are There Gaps in the Genealogies of Genesis? - Christian Research Institute

There is evidence showing that it is not possible to conclude that the universe is around 6000 years old

I very much believe that the earth we live in is very young, but I can't show from the Bible that it is definitely no more than 6000 years, as this is impossible from the data that we have in the Bible

Are you unaware of the prophecies of scripture that demands and requires a 7,000 years time frame?
 

JD731

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How am I mistaken? What did I say that cannot be true?
Your statement did not lend itself to a literal belief in the words of scripture, IMO. But I do understand that it is your style of saying something without saying anything. Try making sense and then proving your ideas.
 

SavedByGrace

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Are you unaware of the prophecies of scripture that demands and requires a 7,000 years time frame?

In #48 you say 6000 and now 7000?

Which is it? and how do you arrive at this number?
I understand what you would like people to agree with but as you have seen not everyone does. You seem to be more concerned about your YE creationism than you are about trusting in the creator.

It is not lack of understanding it is lack of concern. You are all twisted up over something that does not matter in relation to ones salvation.

READ the title of this thread again!

It is dealing with YOUNG EARTH CREATION! If you don't like this, then move on!
 
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