Should I ask forgiveness or CONFRONT this person???

[quantumfaith]

So if they're a member of a church that falls under "arminian classification," they're not really saved? Is that what we're saying?

So there are NO saved catholics, or any other Christian denomination?
-- Edited to add:
So we can only be saved if we agree with the teachings of calvin?

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[quantumfaith]

I am a slave, yes I am a slave of God.. I am indeed a slave and I have humility and realize that I am not perfect nor do I have it all together. However when it comes to theology and doctrine I stand for the truth and will not back down.

Perhaps you misunderstand CONVICTION with pride.

Evang:

Real humility has and feels no need to tell someone that they have it.

 

[Winman]

Are you saying that Reformed theology is another gospel?

In my opinion, YES, I think Reformed theology is another gospel. I am speaking specifically of the doctrine of Limited Atonement. If you believe that Jesus only died for "some" sinners, then YES, I believe that is another gospel. Paul taught that Jesus died for all sinners.

1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Here Paul is recalling that he preached to the Corinthians that Jesus died for "our sins".

Now you will argue that the Corinthians are saved, the elect. Well, they weren't saved when Paul preached to them, you do not need to preach the gospel to saved persons.

Anyone who goes about teaching or preaching that Jesus only died for some persons is preaching another gospel.

 

[Rippon]

In my opinion, YES, I think Reformed theology is another gospel. I am speaking specifically of the doctrine of Limited Atonement. If you believe that Jesus only died for "some" sinners, then YES, I believe that is another gospel.

Anyone who goes about teaching or preaching that Jesus only died for some persons is preaching another gospel.

You have crossed over the line there Winman. You are also breaking BB rules.

I certainly think your understanding of the Gospel is distorted,truncated and compromised by your synergism and your fanatical zeal which clouds your discernment -- but I would be hesitant in saying you believe in a false Gospel --because that means you are not a fellow believer.

 

[Winman]

You have crossed over the line there Winman. You are also breaking BB rules.

I certainly think your understanding of the Gospel is distorted,truncated and compromised by your synergism and your fanatical zeal which clouds your discernment -- but I would be hesitant in saying you believe in a false Gospel --because that means you are not a fellow believer.

What? I am not allowed to say what I believe?

Look, you believe what you want, and I will believe what I believe the scriptures teach. And I believe Limited Atonement is another gospel, it is not what Paul preached.

I am not questioning anyone's salvation, because MANY Reformed reject Limited Atonement.

 

[preacher4truth]

You have crossed over the line there Winman. You are also breaking BB rules.

I certainly think your understanding of the Gospel is distorted,truncated and compromised by your synergism and your fanatical zeal which clouds your discernment -- but I would be hesitant in saying you believe in a false Gospel --because that means you are not a fellow believer.

Agreed, yet this isn't the first time. In addition to his saying we have another Gospel we've also seen it stated Calvinists don't believe the Bible. I guess it is allowable here as it's been said often enough that it's doubtful that it hasn't been seen by mods or admin.

 

[DHK]

You have crossed over the line there Winman. You are also breaking BB rules.

I certainly think your understanding of the Gospel is distorted,truncated and compromised by your synergism and your fanatical zeal which clouds your discernment -- but I would be hesitant in saying you believe in a false Gospel --because that means you are not a fellow believer.

Winman has done nothing wrong. The line was crossed in the OP, right at the first post:

perhaps I should warn this person about being a possible false convert. Many whom come from the IFB movement are as such as they have said the sinners prayer, and grew up in "easy-believism" type churches and grew up in "culture christianity" whom are in fact false converts pretending to be true believers. Perhaps this may explain why this person and others of this ilk do not forgive nor seek to reconcile with others.

It is just as true many of whom come from the reformed churches.
There is no need to broad-brush an entire movement right from the very beginning just because you are sitting on the other side of the fence.
This entire thread was biased from the beginning.

 

[evangelist6589]

In my opinion, YES, I think Reformed theology is another gospel. I am speaking specifically of the doctrine of Limited Atonement. If you believe that Jesus only died for "some" sinners, then YES, I believe that is another gospel. Paul taught that Jesus died for all sinners.

1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Here Paul is recalling that he preached to the Corinthians that Jesus died for "our sins".

Now you will argue that the Corinthians are saved, the elect. Well, they weren't saved when Paul preached to them, you do not need to preach the gospel to saved persons.

Anyone who goes about teaching or preaching that Jesus only died for some persons is preaching another gospel.

I may not fully agree with Limited Atonement,.

 

[evangelist6589]

Winman has done nothing wrong. The line was crossed in the OP, right at the first post:
It is just as true many of whom come from the reformed churches.
There is no need to broad-brush an entire movement right from the very beginning just because you are sitting on the other side of the fence.
This entire thread was biased from the beginning.

Then I do apologize if I crossed the line. However what I am saying is clearing taught in the book "The Way of the Master" and the book "The Gospel According to Jesus" as "easy-believism" and the sinners prayer are condemned. Well I have several books that teach what I am writing, but if it offended anyone then I apologize. I do believe in grace, and I do believe that God loves the world.

 

[DHK]

Then I do apologize if I crossed the line. However what I am saying is clearing taught in the book "The Way of the Master" and the book "The Gospel According to Jesus" as "easy-believism" and the sinners prayer are condemned. Well I have several books that teach what I am writing, but if it offended anyone then I apologize. I do believe in grace, and I do believe that God loves the world.

John MacArthur is a Calvinist. Not all IFB churches are. They are independent. Most of them are not easy believism-type churches, however. That is again, a typical broad generalization by someone who is unfamiliar with the IFB movement. If anyone cares to read about the history of fundamentalism David Beale's book, In Search of Purity, is an excellent book. In it he describes how Charles Finney was the one that first came up with the modern day invitation. But note that Finney was a heretic. What he preached became known as "Oberlin theology," named for the college he was president of. He would use any means possible to get the sinner down the aisle. We are not followers or champions of Finney's methodology.

 

[abcgrad94]

Evangelist, why exactly do you want to "reconcile" with a brother if the two of you have had no communication for a year, at his preference it seems? Your OP sounds like your reason for wanting to "reconcile" with this person is so you can tell him how wrong he is and how right you are.

You've been told this before, sometimes bluntly and sometimes not-so-bluntly. I'll say it again in a plain, but kind way: it is not your job to change or convict anyone. Our job as Christians is to LOVE one another and share the gospel with unbelievers. It is NOT our job to FORCE people to agree with us or reconcile or anything else.

My advice to you is to LET IT GO. Don't hound people and shove your opinions and beliefs down their throats. It will turn them off completely and do more damage to the cause of Christ in the long run. Love them, pray for them, and ask God to work on YOU.

I know you like to read. I'd suggest you read the book How to Win Friends and Influence People. There are many excellent tips and principles that will teach you how to deal with the social situations that arise, like the ones you've asked advice for here on BB.

 

[evangelist6589]

John MacArthur is a Calvinist. Not all IFB churches are. They are independent. Most of them are not easy believism-type churches, however. That is again, a typical broad generalization by someone who is unfamiliar with the IFB movement. If anyone cares to read about the history of fundamentalism David Beale's book, In Search of Purity, is an excellent book. In it he describes how Charles Finney was the one that first came up with the modern day invitation. But note that Finney was a heretic. What he preached became known as "Oberlin theology," named for the college he was president of. He would use any means possible to get the sinner down the aisle. We are not followers or champions of Finney's methodology.

I read it years ago but need to skim it again as you have pointed out. Your post points out that I need to get back to my books. MacArthur and Johnson have broad brushed the entire movement in various books and messages.

 

[HAMel]

evangelist6589..., have you considered that perhaps the one you're trying to make amends with is embarrassed?

If it's possible then all you can do is leave it alone.

 

[evangelist6589]

Evangelist, why exactly do you want to "reconcile" with a brother if the two of you have had no communication for a year, at his preference it seems? Your OP sounds like your reason for wanting to "reconcile" with this person is so you can tell him how wrong he is and how right you are.

You've been told this before, sometimes bluntly and sometimes not-so-bluntly. I'll say it again in a plain, but kind way: it is not your job to change or convict anyone. Our job as Christians is to LOVE one another and share the gospel with unbelievers. It is NOT our job to FORCE people to agree with us or reconcile or anything else.

My advice to you is to LET IT GO. Don't hound people and shove your opinions and beliefs down their throats. It will turn them off completely and do more damage to the cause of Christ in the long run. Love them, pray for them, and ask God to work on YOU.

I know you like to read. I'd suggest you read the book How to Win Friends and Influence People. There are many excellent tips and principles that will teach you how to deal with the social situations that arise, like the ones you've asked advice for here on BB.

True it is not my job, but its also true that the sermons and writings of some have influenced me. I remember a certain sermon by a pastor where he said we needed to continually try and reconcile with people even if they decline, we should never give up. I did not get that advice from a self-help book by a questionable author, but from a Godly pastor. But however true theology I can't force on someone, however I should continue to preach it for one day they may be persuaded by the work of the Holy Spirit.

However in this case I have made the decision not to contact the offended party. The person has a dislike and indifference towards me, and may be a enemy of the gospel as Ray Comfort pointed out. I do not know for certain.

 

[evangelist6589]

evangelist6589..., have you considered that perhaps the one you're trying to make amends with is embarrassed?

If it's possible then all you can do is leave it alone.

Embarrassed? Explain.

 

[Iconoclast]

Rippon

You have crossed over the line there Winman. You are also breaking BB rules.

I certainly think your understanding of the Gospel is distorted,truncated and compromised by your synergism and your fanatical zeal which clouds your discernment -- but I would be hesitant in saying you believe in a false Gospel --because that means you are not a fellow believer.

And yet.....Biblicist posted solidly and he is "banned"???

 

[HAMel]

Embarrassed? Explain.

What is there to explain?

Not knowing what caused the "rif" to begin with..., unless you posted the issue earlier and I just didn't see it..., perhaps the one you're trying to atone with has come to grips with the original matter and has realized "THEIR" error. If so, then it's possible they are just embarrassed? I don't know. Was just offering up a possible explanation as to why they won't respond to you.

Often, it's easier for someone to pull hens teeth than to admit they were wrong.?.? I don't know.

 

[Crabtownboy]

A certain person whom I had a major disagreement and separation with some years ago, and whom I sent an apology for my part of the division and have made attempts to reconcile but to stone cold silence in return. Should I attempt one more time? The last attempt was a year ago.

Or perhaps I should warn this person about being a possible false convert. Many whom come from the IFB movement are as such as they have said the sinners prayer, and grew up in "easy-believism" type churches and grew up in "culture christianity" whom are in fact false converts pretending to be true believers. Perhaps this may explain why this person and others of this ilk do not forgive nor seek to reconcile with others.

What should I do? Recently I made peace with a brother whom I had a major disagreement and separation many years ago. This brother has moved to Reformed Theology and has understand his part in the separation and has moved away from the false Christianity that plagues the Arminianism movement.

Reach out in love. Honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Leave judgement up to God.

Blessings.

 

[Rippon]

And yet.....Biblicist posted solidly and he is "banned"???

How in the world...?

When you said the above it was news to me. Was he being too biblical for folks to stomach,or what?

 

[evangelist6589]

Reach out in love. Honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Leave judgement up to God.

Blessings.

I tried that approach twice, but got nothing in return.