Should Racial Contention be Secluded?

[Revmitchell]

Can *anyone* explain to me what I lied about? Honestly, if I've actually mis-represented poor Zaac, I'd like the opportunity to apologize. But I don't see where I've done anything but quote what he himself has said.

I'm serious about this. I will entertain any and all input. If I'm wrong, I will publicly post an apology. I've done it before; if it turns out I'm wrong, I'll do it again.

You didn't lie, what you did do is call him out on his garbage he doesn't like it so that is what he does.

 

[Salty]

I have my own "Zaac"on a FB page. We were discussing food stamps. I stated that according to the 10th Amendment - that the Feds have no business being in the Food Stamp business.

Then he said: "The states abused their privilege. The 10th amendment refers to powers reserved for the states or the people. Down south they couldn't get used to the idea that black people were in fact people."

I was not talking about race - but govt give-a-way programs. Why do so many want to throw the race card in?

 

[Zaac]

I have my own "Zaac"on a FB page. We were discussing food stamps. I stated that according to the 10th Amendment - that the Feds have no business being in the Food Stamp business.

Then he said: "The states abused their privilege. The 10th amendment refers to powers reserved for the states or the people. Down south they couldn't get used to the idea that black people were in fact people."

I was not talking about race - but govt give-a-way programs. Why do so many want to throw the race card in?

Perhaps because whether or not white people want to admit it, you can't talk economics or social need without talking about it.

Until the church starts meeting those needs, the Fed needs to stay in the Food Stamp Business.

It's not black people's fault that some of you can't relate to their reality. You think it's a bad idea. Blacks and other folks who have had to use it understand that when you're economically disadvantaged, it's good to know that your kids won't have to go hungry waiting for folks who won't even interact with them to bring them some food.

 

[InTheLight]

Can *anyone* explain to me what I lied about? Honestly, if I've actually mis-represented poor Zaac, I'd like the opportunity to apologize. But I don't see where I've done anything but quote what he himself has said.

I don't think you lied about him. Apparently Zaac makes a distinction between what someone says and what they really are. Therefore, if he asserts someone says "racially prejudiced things and racial political views" they are not necessarily a racist.

Frankly, I can't make that distinction and I don't see the Lord doing so either.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.


It's like saying "I'm voting for Romney, but I'm not a Romney supporter, nor do I support Mormonism." And we all know what Zaac would say to that!

 

[Zaac]

I don't think you lied about him. Apparently Zaac makes a distinction between what someone says and what they really are. Therefore, if he asserts someone says "racially prejudiced things and racial political views" they are not necessarily a racist.

Frankly, I can't make that distinction and I don't see the Lord doing so either.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.


It's like saying "I'm voting for Romney, but I'm not a Romney supporter, nor do I support Mormonism." And we all know what Zaac would say to that!

He flat out lied repeatedly. He knows it and I know it. If I want to say a person is a racist, I will. I don't have a problem typing.

Lots of people make racist and racially prejudiced comments. It doesn't make them racists. Stupid, perhaps. But not necessarily racist.

Point being, I know what I have said and what I have not said. So there's no sense in lying and saying that I said something that I know I didn't say.

I am measured and particular about what I do say. And of all the folks on this board, I KNOW that Don knows this and recognizes such.

And Don, having sat back, and watched the very same display between me and others, knows all too well that he nor anyone else can lie and tell me that I said something I did not.

He knows full well that if I wanted to say, i.e. Don is a racist, that's what he would have read on the page and not something to the tune of "Don makes racist and racially prejudiced comments".:saint:

 

[InTheLight]

Lots of people make racist and racially prejudiced comments. It doesn't make them racists.

Well, it's a distinction with hardly any difference, isn't it?

He knows full well that if I wanted to say, i.e. Don is a racist, that's what he would have read on the page and not something to the tune of "Don makes racist and racially prejudiced comments".:saint:

OK, then people that say things indicating white privilege aren't really privileged whites.

 

[Zaac]

Well, it's a distinction with hardly any difference, isn't it?

There's a huge difference. True racism is about power and control. A person can make racist and racially prejudiced comments just because they are repeating what their "friends" are saying and it have nothing to do with racism.

OK, then people that say things indicating white privilege aren't really privileged whites.

Not sure what you were trying to say. :laugh: But I don't have a problem saying that whites benefit from white privilege everyday. It just is what it is.

 

[Don]

Deleted. Unnecessary.

 

[Don]

Deleted. Unnecessary.

 

[carpro]

True racism is about power and control.

I'm not surprised you bought into that baloney. That is merely an excuse to remain a part of the poor me I'm black pathology.


True racism is a sickness of the heart and spirit. Thus all people are capable of it.

It has less than nothing to do with power and control.

 

[Zaac]

Deleted. An equally unnecessary response.

 

[Use of Time]

I know that you're an arrogant, pompous liar who thinks a couple of stories about how you grew up justifies your lies.




Seriously?We're grown. I don't need to swap "we were so poor" stories with you.

I've become really disappointed in the poster you have become.

 

[Zaac]

I've become really disappointed in the poster you have become.

You know, I always say to people please do not address me in such a manner unless you're also speaking to the person speaking to me.

 

[Use of Time]

You know, I always say to people please do not address me in such a manner unless you're also speaking to the person speaking to me.

Nah, I've watched you burn every single person that has stood up for you and tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, myself included. I'm done.

 

[Don]

I know that you're an arrogant, pompous liar who thinks a couple of stories about how you grew up justifies your lies.




Seriously?We're grown. I don't need to swap "we were so poor" stories with you.

Thought I was on ignore?

Folks, I deleted those posts because I figured Zaac would basically write them off. He was quicker to quote than I expected. He mentioned folks here not understanding being economically challenged; then when given examples that some folks on this board actually do understand, he dismissed it.

Scripture says that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he; and there are those on this board that are decidedly racist without even realizing just how racist they are. I typically don't participate in conversations with them; their own words are enough for others to judge them, and no amount of "biting social commentary" or harsh words is going to convince them of their innate racism.

Zaac, I haven't lied about you. But you're doing a good job of lying to yourself. You wish to make a distinction that doesn't exist. If scripture is to be believed, then what people say and write is a reflection of what they actually believe. So maybe it's time for you to grow up, man up, and say what you really mean, instead of hiding behind innuendo and "lessons" that are falling on deaf ears.

And if you're gonna threaten to put me on ignore, then put me on ignore and be done with it. Again, say what you mean, mean what you say, and man up and do it, son.

 

[Zaac]

Nah, I've watched you burn every single person that has stood up for you and tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, myself included. I'm done.

That's fine. I appreciate what you think you have done. But I'm a big boy.

 

[Revmitchell]

I told you guys what he was when he got here.

 

[Zaac]

Thought I was on ignore?

Folks, I deleted those posts because I figured Zaac would basically write them off. He was quicker to quote than I expected. He mentioned folks here not understanding being economically challenged; then when given examples that some folks on this board actually do understand, he dismissed it.

I dismissed no such thing. There's just no reason to go back and forth with you about who had the poorest upbringing since you conditioned the reasons under which you felt we could swap stories.

Zaac, I haven't lied about you.

You have lied repeatedly about what I said. I CAN read.

But you're doing a good job of lying to yourself. You wish to make a distinction that doesn't exist.

Sounds like you're doing a good job lying to yourself to save face about the lies you DID tell.

If scripture is to be believed, then what people say and write is a reflection of what they actually believe.

That's why I stand firmly on whatever I type and am in no need of you or anyone else telling lies about me saying what I have not said.

So maybe it's time for you to grow up, man up, and say what you really mean, instead of hiding behind innuendo and "lessons" that are falling on deaf ears.

Maybe it's time that you grow up and stop telling lies? You're not so removed from reality that you think for an instant that I have a problem saying what I want to say.

The problem between you and I is that you want to say that I have said things that I have not just because YOU think that's what I'm trying to say.

And I'll say it again. I know that YOU moreso than others already know that to not be the case.

If I want to say it, I will. There won't be any need for you to ask "so what you're saying" or "you're implying". Ungh ungh. The keyboard is at my fingertips. If I want to type it on the screen, I will.:thumbsup:

And if you're gonna threaten to put me on ignore, then put me on ignore and be done with it. Again, say what you mean, mean what you say, and man up and do it, son.

Bye Don.

 

[Zaac]

I told you guys what he was when he got here.

All you and your wickedness need to worry about is what you are.

 

[Don]

I dismissed no such thing. There's just no reason to go back and forth with you about who had the poorest upbringing since you conditioned the reasons under which you felt we could swap stories.

Oh, please. That's just an excuse and you know it. YOU created the condition when you wrote that people here couldn't understand economic hardships. When asked to apply them to yourself, your answer is, "I'm not going to participate"?

You have lied repeatedly about what I said. I CAN read.

I quoted what you said; I provided my references that supported my premise. YOU were the one that decided that what you write doesn't follow standard English-language norms.

Sounds like you're doing a good job lying to yourself to save face about the lies you DID tell.

Really? I say you're lying to yourself, and all you can say is, "yeah, well, you're lying to yourself!" Hmm...is this the part I meant about "growing up"?

That's why I stand firmly on whatever I type and am in no need of you or anyone else telling lies about me saying what I have not said.

What you've firmly typed is that a segment of this message board exhibits racism. You're just not intellectually honest enough to follow through and flat-out tell 'em.

Maybe it's time that you grow up and stop telling lies? You're not so removed from reality that you think for an instant that I have a problem saying what I want to say.

Uh--yeah, yeah I do. I think you're so caught up in your own self-image of intelligence that you've forgotten to look in the mirror and tell the person you see there, "you're not nearly as smart as you'd like to think you are."

The problem between you and I is that you want to say that I have said things that I have not just because YOU think that's what I'm trying to say.

Actually, I want to say that you've said things because reading comprehension, a dictionary, and an eighth-grade education prove that you've said them.

And I'll say it again. I know that YOU moreso than others already know that to not be the case.

If that were true, then I wouldn't be constantly challenging you, now would I?

If I want to say it, I will. There won't be any need for you to ask "so what you're saying" or "you're implying". Ungh ungh. The keyboard is at my fingertips. If I want to type it on the screen, I will.

Big talk. Meanwhile, still waiting on you to actually do it.

Bye Don.

Until the next time you just can't resist and read something else I've posted--G'night.